Just three years after the Alain Vigneault firing and Mike Yeo interim tag, we’re right back at the same spot. Did they also fire Hakstol before the end of season? Briere needs to get this hiring right.
“ On December 6, the Flyers fired Vigneault following a 7–1 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning. The loss extended their losing streak to eight games amidst falling to an 8–10–4 record to begin the 2021–22 season after missing the playoffs in the previous season.”
Torts wanted out, he said so himself in that press conference. There was nothing that was going to enhance the "myth" of folk legend John Tortorella happening this season. It was Torts getting what he wanted one last time. He still get's the 4+ mill owed to him and doesn't have to deal with coming to work miserable.
DB delivering the news was just DB being a good boy. - Flyers_01
Ok good point and original take. Hadn't thought of this possibility.
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Two objections to this line of thought:
1. Does that all zone play all have to be taught in the very first year for a kid who is making so many adjustments (cultural, personal, hockey, etc.)? Look at some other all-star Russian wingers: Panarin, Kucherov, even AO. How good were they in all 3 zones in their first year? How many times were they benched for those deficiencies? How did they turn out?
2. Sometimes, the salad works better than the soup, no? Different players have different strengths. Makar is no Pronger near the boards or in the paint. etc. etc.
Briere was a cherry picker most of his career. He was decentish in the regular season. But come playoff time, he was a fiend, almost ppg player. Clutch goal after clutch goal. When it came to crunch time, his one sided offensive skills more than made up for his deficiencies. - PT21
Good points. But my answer would be why not? When should it be taught?
Would I have benched the kid for his mistakes? Probably not, especially if it was a translation issue (which I would doubt).
Do I think sitting him was more harmful than beneficial in the long term? Again, probably not. I don't see the downside to teaching him the defensive part of the game as early as possible. It obviously didn't stunt his offensive growth in any way.
“ On December 6, the Flyers fired Vigneault following a 7–1 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning. The loss extended their losing streak to eight games amidst falling to an 8–10–4 record to begin the 2021–22 season after missing the playoffs in the previous season.”
How little things have changed. - Sublime55
I mean this year many expected the Flyers to suck. That year with AV, they were expected to do well after a very good COVID Bubble. Whether people want to admit or not, we are in a rebuild. We just subtracted 5 players from the team the last few weeks on a team already depleted with talent. We got Three 3rd line Cs and an AHL C. Deslaurier is back in the lineup as well. This isnt a lineup expected to win
Just three years after the Alain Vigneault firing and Mike Yeo interim tag, we’re right back at the same spot. Did they also fire Hakstol before the end of season? Briere needs to get this hiring right. - Sublime55
Or face what consequences? Seriously.
As a fan i want them to make the right choice but Fletcher would still be leading the charge if not for that disastrous press conference. There are no consequences for the alumni FO to be afraid of as long as they don't screw up on camera and the lemmings keep buying tickets.
It's certainly nice to be at a point in their history where ownership is onboard with, and will allow, a proper rebuild. Thankfully - I'm exited now. - Dave21Brown
Would anyone be surprised to see Lappy as head coach next year? Maybe Shaw sticks around as his assistant coach? What coaches out there would see this as an attractive job?
Would anyone be surprised to see Lappy as head coach next year? Maybe Shaw sticks around as his assistant coach? What coaches out there would see this as an attractive job? - Dkos
Well, DB is a first time GM with no prior stops, Jones was just another color commentator before he got tapped to be POHO. I say Nick Seeler retires and immediately becomes the new Flyers HC because he played the right way, knows the Flyers culture inside and out, and gets along with Rocky who will still be here coaching the PP.
Of all the coaches on staff did anyone have Torts leaving before Rocky?
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You are using one fact, that Torts was fired after a disastrous press conference, to validate your world view of the Flyers over the last 3 years. That is not a solid foundation.
It is of course your opinion but is not a basis for any sort of logical conclusion. Where is the evidence of Briere reigning him in, controlling him, confronting him before now? There isn't. DB as far as we know and all the local media that Comcast could buy or cajole painted this as one big happy thruple. Rocky was untouchable, Torts had free reign, DB got rid of every player that Torts didn't like.
Up until Today, give me some evidence where DB acted like Torts boss? Find me another NHL coach who gets to sit up in the press box with the GM eatting popcorn while his assistants coach the team?
This was purely about PR from Comcast, same as Fletch's firing. Fletch was fired for a bad press conference and so was Torts while the wheels go round and round. Find me evidence otherwise? - Flyers_01
Pretty funny, you question my 1 fact and only have what you believe to support your opinion. Any facts you have to prove DB was not acting as the GM, that Torts was the defacto GM? Before you get going, all coaches and GM's work closely together, believing Torts was part GM, is just that a belief. For the record my 1 fact is that DB fired Torts, Hi Torts I am the GM and you are the coach, you are fired.
Would anyone be surprised to see Lappy as head coach next year? Maybe Shaw sticks around as his assistant coach? What coaches out there would see this as an attractive job? - Dkos
I would be surprised. I havent seen enough good from Lappy to justify a promotion.
Pretty funny, you question my 1 fact and only have what you believe to support your opinion. Any facts you have to prove DB was not acting as the GM, that Torts was the defacto GM? Before you get going, all coaches and GM's work closely together, believing Torts was part GM, is just that a belief. For the record my 1 fact is that DB fired Torts, Hi Torts I am the GM and you are the coach, you are fired. - wcorvette
I don't question the fact that Torts is no longer the coach but if that's the way you see it having gone down? As you said, we are entitled to our own opinions.
There's 3 years of evidence of Torts influence with the franchise beginning with Torts leading the charge to get Fletcher fired and the triumvirate of leadership. I'm not going to relitigate it for someone who doesn't want to see it.
No. Tortorella's influence is not normal despite what you think.
To reference a previous poster, why now? He sounds like a coach who didn't want to coach anymore in his last presser. It's not like DB threw him under the bus during his announcement like the Flyers did for Gauthier.
My opinion is that Torts had enough, called a meeting of the cabal, they performed the ritual and decided to amicably part ways while giving Torts a 5 million golden parachute, and then finally let the rest of us in on it.
That’s why to me, it was either building frustration that came to a head or torts said f it I’ve had enough. Does not seem strategic at all to cut him loose with this many games left and vying for a top 4 spot. - funmaster18
Totally agree. I think there is also a disconnect between him and DB + Jonesy on the time table. This looks like it is going to continue for a while, like 3-5 years according to Danny's comments. He has said he "preferred" the Laughton first rd pick to be out in the future, 2027 ?? Have to say, this is testing my own patience, and I thought I had been waiting patiently the last 10+ years. In 2027, the pick will be approx. 18 years old. Then another 3-4 years past 2027, how long is everyone supposed to stay "on hold" ? I mean, I've heard of slow and do it right, but geez, these picks in 2025, 2026 will not be available until 2028-29 at the earliest. Maybe that's what "went wrong" in the discussion upstairs. When do we start to "try" and win ? And if not trying to win with roster decisions, who can coach a team so short on talent during that time? SJ & Chi has managed to do it so far, but they are nearing the end of the misery. We seem to be early on in the period of collecting & developing high draft picks, if that's the plan.
I mean this year many expected the Flyers to suck. That year with AV, they were expected to do well after a very good COVID Bubble. Whether people want to admit or not, we are in a rebuild. We just subtracted 5 players from the team the last few weeks on a team already depleted with talent. We got Three 3rd line Cs and an AHL C. Deslaurier is back in the lineup as well. This isnt a lineup expected to win - xShoot4WarAmpsx
I find it somewhat ironic that the last two Flyers coaches lost their jobs after their teams gave up 7 goals to an Atlantic Division Team.
News alert, some Flyers posters shattered and in therapy after finding out they were dead wrong about who is the GM. Stayed turned for breaking details. - wcorvette
Lmao, right. Let’s see if those posters own it. Doubtful.
The genius of Rocky Thompson on display - Tomahawk
Thats a great video.
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I don't question the fact that Torts is no longer the coach but if that's the way you see it having gone down? As you said, we are entitled to our own opinions.
There's 3 years of evidence of Torts influence with the franchise beginning with Torts leading the charge to get Fletcher fired and the triumvirate of leadership. I'm not going to relitigate it for someone who doesn't want to see it.
No. Tortorella's influence is not normal despite what you think.
To reference a previous poster, why now? He sounds like a coach who didn't want to coach anymore in his last presser. It's not like DB threw him under the bus during his announcement like the Flyers did for Gauthier.
My opinion is that Torts had enough, called a meeting of the cabal, they performed the ritual and decided to amicably part ways while giving Torts a 5 million golden parachute, and then finally let the rest of us in on it. - Flyers_01
This count as proof-
Breaking news. Flyers GM Danny Briere says he made the difficult move to move on from John Tortorella as Flyers coach. Torts is out as Flyers head coach.
“Today I made the very difficult decision to move on from John as our head coach. John played a vital role in our rebuild. He set a standard of play and re-established what it means to be a Philadelphia Flyer. John’s passion on the bench was only equaled by his charitable work in our community. As we move into the next chapter of this rebuild, I felt this was the best for our team to move forward. I’d like to thank John for his tireless work and commitment to the Flyers”
This count as proof-
Breaking news. Flyers GM Danny Briere says he made the difficult move to move on from John Tortorella as Flyers coach. Torts is out as Flyers head coach.
“Today I made the very difficult decision to move on from John as our head coach. John played a vital role in our rebuild. He set a standard of play and re-established what it means to be a Philadelphia Flyer. John’s passion on the bench was only equaled by his charitable work in our community. As we move into the next chapter of this rebuild, I felt this was the best for our team to move forward. I’d like to thank John for his tireless work and commitment to the Flyers” - wcorvette
I think Torts wanted no parts of Laughton being traded. Pretty certain he would have named Laughton captain over Couts if it was his choice. My guess is Torts did not like his guys getting traded. Briere tried to trade Poehls also.
