the jays bullpen was solid as (frank) too but the indians were even better

the jays bullpen was solid as (frank) too but the indians were even better
- daeth

yea but Gibby left the starters in too long cause he didn't trust most of the pen. Too bad Benoit got injured.

So with the Royals and now (probably) Indians winning with only 1 good starter and then an elite bullpen I guess the new trend is official set. (frank) starting pitching.

So with the Royals and now (probably) Indians winning with only 1 good starter and then an elite bullpen I guess the new trend is official set. (frank) starting pitching.
- daeth

Teams always seem to win that way. It's just really difficult to predict how good relief pitchers will be or who will stay healthy.

Teams always seem to win that way. It's just really difficult to predict how good relief pitchers will be or who will stay healthy.
- PhillySportsGuy

Outside of a few top end relievers it really is hard to get any sort of year to year consistency from relievers, that's true.

Outside of a few top end relievers it really is hard to get any sort of year to year consistency from relievers, that's true.
- daeth

The year the Phillies won, Lidge never blew a save, Madson developed into an elite setup man out of nowhere, JC Romero was picked up off waivers and turned into an elite lefty out of the pen, and guys like Durbin and Chan Ho Park had great years.

A year later, Lidge had an ERA over 7, Madson was good and the others never pitched well again.

It'd be interesting to see stats for that type of thing. It really does feel like starters are more consistent year to year once they've had a good season. Is it simply down to sample size only? A hot or cold streak over 60-80 innings will look a lot better/worse than if a starter did that over that many innings.

I'm very close to switching allegiances to the Indians due to the surplus of "80+ year old senile, near death person attends first Cubs World Series game"
- PhillySportsGuy

i dont understand the thousands of fans whooping it up and cheering outside Wrigley behind the Fox post-game panel directly after the last two losses

Chicago is pathetic

i dont understand the thousands of fans whooping it up and cheering outside Wrigley behind the Fox post-game panel directly after the last two losses

Chicago is pathetic
- Crimsoninja

stong

The year the Phillies won, Lidge never blew a save, Madson developed into an elite setup man out of nowhere, JC Romero was picked up off waivers and turned into an elite lefty out of the pen, and guys like Durbin and Chan Ho Park had great years.

A year later, Lidge had an ERA over 7, Madson was good and the others never pitched well again.
- PhillySportsGuy

Sox had 3 different closers the year they won on 05. Jenks was the man who appeared from the mist and within 2 seasons was last seen walking into the corn rows of Iowa.

In the playoffs 150 yr old Jose Contreras was unreal.

It'd be interesting to see stats for that type of thing. It really does feel like starters are more consistent year to year once they've had a good season. Is it simply down to sample size only? A hot or cold streak over 60-80 innings will look a lot better/worse than if a starter did that over that many innings.
- daeth

I imagine it's sample size. You're comparing 70-80 innings to 200+ innings. Relievers are also more reliant on 1 pitch, so if it begins to go, they really struggle. Starters have normally developed 3-4 pitches and can work around a breaking ball that doesn't break as much or a fastball without the same kind of rise to it.

Those are just guesses though.

i dont understand the thousands of fans whooping it up and cheering outside Wrigley behind the Fox post-game panel directly after the last two losses

Chicago is pathetic
- Crimsoninja

Seems like they only care about the Cubs. Whenever I bring up the Blackhawks or Bulls to a Chicago fan, they just shrug their shoulders. Two (frank)ing dynasties wasted on that stupid city (Sorry Gramps).

Sox had 3 different closers the year they won on 05. Jenks was the man who appeared from the mist and within 2 seasons was last seen walking into the corn rows of Iowa.

In the playoffs 150 yr old Jose Contreras was unreal.
- Gramps28

It's just so unpredictable. There are only a handful of relievers who pitch really well for 5 straight seasons. That's what made Rivera so special.

Seems like they only care about the Cubs. Whenever I bring up the Blackhawks or Bulls to a Chicago fan, they just shrug their shoulders. Two (frank)ing dynasties wasted on that stupid city (Sorry Gramps).
- PhillySportsGuy

You can't just bracket a sorry after a rant like that.

You can't just bracket a sorry after a rant like that.
- Cape Breton Bruins

It doesn't really apply to him because he likes the Blackhawks, Bulls and Bears and hates the Cubs

It doesn't really apply to him because he likes the Blackhawks, Bulls and Bears and hates the Cubs
- PhillySportsGuy

lol

lol
- Cape Breton Bruins

Just let me (frank)ing have this!

Seems like they only care about the Cubs. Whenever I bring up the Blackhawks or Bulls to a Chicago fan, they just shrug their shoulders. Two (frank)ing dynasties wasted on that stupid city (Sorry Gramps).
- PhillySportsGuy

if they care so much about the Cubs then why are they whooping behind the panel after two WS losses? (frank) Chicago as an entity

Seems like they only care about the Cubs. Whenever I bring up the Blackhawks or Bulls to a Chicago fan, they just shrug their shoulders. Two (frank)ing dynasties wasted on that stupid city (Sorry Gramps).
- PhillySportsGuy

To an extent. The Bulls have sold out every game since the Jordan era. Which is pretty amazing considering it was almost 20 years ago and there have been some lean years.

The Hawks lost countless fans due to a pigheaded owner who refused to change with the times. For a period of about 25 years or so, the Hawks were the hardest ticket to get in town. While every owner with a scintilla of a brain was making their product more accessible he made it even more difficult and expensive as attendance dwindled. This is no joke. People celebrated when they heard old man Wirtz died. There are still tons of fans around who understand how special the last 8 years have been as a Hawks fan. The rest are new and think this is a common occurrence. LOL

/csb

if they care so much about the Cubs then why are they whooping behind the panel after two WS losses? (frank) Chicago as an entity
- Crimsoninja

probably cause they have been drinking since noon and they won something for the first time in 71 years. quit being so obtuse. its very unbecoming.

probably cause they have been drinking since noon and they won something for the first time in 71 years. quit being so obtuse. its very unbecoming.
- Gramps28

im just trying to stir you up


but seriously, a good segment of philly fans annoy me bigtime, but i honestly cant picture that happening here

The year the Phillies won, Lidge never blew a save, Madson developed into an elite setup man out of nowhere, JC Romero was picked up off waivers and turned into an elite lefty out of the pen, and guys like Durbin and Chan Ho Park had great years.

A year later, Lidge had an ERA over 7, Madson was good and the others never pitched well again.
- PhillySportsGuy

still can't believe a philadelphia team won a championship in my lifetime. I 100% expect to die before a Cup comes here though

im just trying to stir you up


but seriously, a good segment of philly fans annoy me bigtime, but i honestly cant picture that happening here
- Crimsoninja

They'd be throwing batteries at Joe Buck

still can't believe a philadelphia team won a championship in my lifetime. I 100% expect to die before a Cup comes here though
- Crimsoninja

I was shocked they won one too. It was definitely a huge burden lifted.




Yeah, there's no way the Flyers win a cup. Partially because they'd never suck long enough to accumulate a bunch of Crosby/Malkin/Kane/Toews types in a row.

They'd be throwing batteries at Joe Buck
- PhillySportsGuy

not that there is anything wrong with that.