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winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jan 24 @ 6:15 AM ET

- senstroll



https://twitter.com/i/status/1375263257234128900
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:41 AM ET
https://twitter.com/i/status/1375263257234128900
- winsix



yeah but that drink throw was last year. they completed their rebuild 2 years ago now. nothing but up for them, and this year is so much better right?

right?

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 8:45 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


updated pace. 30'ish games to go

Leafs - 112
Sens - 82

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 30 @ 11:41 AM ET
updated pace. 30'ish games to go

Leafs - 112
Sens - 82

- senstroll



spatso in november - the sens are only 9 points out of a playoff spot with 2 games in hand.

spatso now - the sens are only 8 points out of a playoff spot.

Reality - the sens were done by xmas. it would require approx 46 points in their last 33 games to make the playoffs (only 2 teams currently have a better pts than that in the entire NHL)
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 30 @ 12:13 PM ET
spatso in november - the sens are only 9 points out of a playoff spot with 2 games in hand.

spatso now - the sens are only 8 points out of a playoff spot.

Reality - the sens were done by xmas. it would require approx 46 points in their last 33 games to make the playoffs (only 2 teams currently have a better pts than that in the entire NHL)

- prock


it was always going to be tough for them to make the playoffs, I had this conversation with my friends who are Sens fans, they needed to make up a lot of points, and in a tough division. who were they going to push out? TB, Toronto, Bos and Florida were all going to be in the discussion. The sens were just not in that league yet.

could sneak in in a wildcard spot, but that was also a tough task. they need +25 points maybe more to make up in 1 off season. rarely happens.

they need another hamburglar run




prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 30 @ 12:34 PM ET
it was always going to be tough for them to make the playoffs, I had this conversation with my friends who are Sens fans, they needed to make up a lot of points, and in a tough division. who were they going to push out? TB, Toronto, Bos and Florida were all going to be in the discussion. The sens were just not in that league yet.

could sneak in in a wildcard spot, but that was also a tough task. they need +25 points maybe more to make up in 1 off season. rarely happens.

they need another hamburglar run

- senstroll



they're not a playoff caliber team. they were way off last year, and their fans got way over exhuberant about a couple decent offseason signings. but both came with question marks. and even if they both worked out, it still wouldn't be enough to make them a playoff team.

Debrincat and Giroux do not take a basement team to the playoffs. They still do not have a playoff caliber roster.

They need at least 2 or 3 more pieces just to be a fringe team. probably 2 more top 2 pairing dmen, a 1st line centre, a good goalie.
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Feb 3 @ 7:05 AM ET
they're not a playoff caliber team. they were way off last year, and their fans got way over exhuberant about a couple decent offseason signings. but both came with question marks. and even if they both worked out, it still wouldn't be enough to make them a playoff team.

Debrincat and Giroux do not take a basement team to the playoff. They still do not have a playoff caliber roster.

They need at least 2 or 3 more pieces just to be a fringe team. probably 2 more top 2 pairing dmen, a 1st line centre, a good goalie.

- prock



Sens are very unlikely to be a playoff team in 23. Sabres have an oustide shot but will have to beat out the Pens, Islanders and Panthers for the final playoff spot. Not easy.
prock
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Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
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Feb 3 @ 12:36 PM ET
Sens are very unlikely to be a playoff team in 23. Sabres have an oustide shot but will have to beat out the Pens, Islanders and Panthers for the final playoff spot. Not easy.
- winsix


nope.

It's hard to project 2 or 3 years down the line, but they need several more pieces. More than can typically be signed in one offseason, especially to a city like Ottawa, and franchise like the Sens. I'm thinking it's at least 2 more years (and then they start to lose guys like Giroux, maybe more).

I put the odds on their current non-playoff streak to hit 10 years as pretty high.


winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
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Feb 5 @ 12:45 PM ET
nope.

It's hard to project 2 or 3 years down the line, but they need several more pieces. More than can typically be signed in one offseason, especially to a city like Ottawa, and franchise like the Sens. I'm thinking it's at least 2 more years (and then they start to lose guys like Giroux, maybe more).

I put the odds on their current non-playoff streak to hit 10 years as pretty high.

- prock


So would I considering Buffalo's streak is currently at 11
Puckpedia has Sabres' odds at making the playoffs at 38.1% so unlikely, but not impossible. Sens odds are at 16.9%.


prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 6 @ 9:56 PM ET
So would I considering Buffalo's streak is currently at 11
Puckpedia has Sabres' odds at making the playoffs at 38.1% so unlikely, but not impossible. Sens odds are at 16.9%.

- winsix



it's much more than that.

- strong division
- bad team, mess of organzation
- bad market, not attractive to players.
- nothing in their farm, or young players on their roster, that looks like the high end type of player that can lead a team out of the perennial NHL basement.
- somehow, with an owner that didn't spend, theyve managed to work themselves into an unfavourable contract situation. not a lot of cap space, not a lot of contracts that you'd look at and think they're great. And a few questionable ones.

where are they going to get the 4 or 5 pieces needed to lift them from an AHL caliber team?
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 19 @ 9:05 PM ET
it's much more than that.

- strong division
- bad team, mess of organzation
- bad market, not attractive to players.
- nothing in their farm, or young players on their roster, that looks like the high end type of player that can lead a team out of the perennial NHL basement.
- somehow, with an owner that didn't spend, theyve managed to work themselves into an unfavourable contract situation. not a lot of cap space, not a lot of contracts that you'd look at and think they're great. And a few questionable ones.

where are they going to get the 4 or 5 pieces needed to lift them from an AHL caliber team?

- prock


Wildcard races in the east will be interesting this year. 6 teams still in it for 2 spots. Sabres not out of it yet.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 22 @ 7:53 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


pace

Leafs 110
Sens 85

it going to be close

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 3 @ 8:02 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


Sens on the move


Leafs 111
Sens 88


twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Mar 3 @ 9:39 AM ET
delooserional lafs fansssssssss

sens closer to getting connor therefore sens in a better position
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Mar 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
delooserional lafs fansssssssss

sens closer to getting connor therefore sens in a better position

- twiztedmike

winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
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Mar 10 @ 9:27 PM ET

- kicksave856


Lol Flyers
Lol Habs
Lol Kicksave

kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Mar 10 @ 9:32 PM ET
Lol Flyers
Lol Habs
Lol Kicksave

- winsix

i'm not saying they're any good when they're not.

because that would be pathetic.

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 22 @ 2:57 PM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


both slipped a little

Leafs 109
Sens 84


winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 27 @ 7:03 PM ET
both slipped a little

Leafs 109
Sens 84

- senstroll

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 5 @ 9:13 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


both are going to be pretty close to these numbers.






twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:47 PM ET
sens and its not even CLOSE

sens are one step closer to finishing last and getting a better draft pick, which will one day help them towards getting into a playoff position
leafs are one step closer to finishing in a playoff position, which means they cant afford to keep their core intact forever and will have to make trades and they will become worse and therefore the sens are in a better position

winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Apr 7 @ 1:18 PM ET
sens and its not even CLOSE

sens are one step closer to finishing last and getting a better draft pick, which will one day help them towards getting into a playoff position
leafs are one step closer to finishing in a playoff position, which means they cant afford to keep their core intact forever and will have to make trades and they will become worse and therefore the sens are in a better position

- twiztedmike


If this is sarcasm ok, otherwise can't afford is a term you can use for only the Sens not the Leafs. Ottawa a welfare team in the NHL, yet they are paying Norris about $8M a season for less production than $950K Bunting. Besides the fact that the Sens have a tough time re-signing their top talent, shockingly, they only have a 4th and 5th pick in the 2023 draft and they are going to miss the playoffs. Oh yeah and 3 - 7ths
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Apr 7 @ 2:46 PM ET
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Apr 10 @ 5:06 PM ET
If this is sarcasm ok, otherwise can't afford is a term you can use for only the Sens not the Leafs. Ottawa a welfare team in the NHL, yet they are paying Norris about $8M a season for less production than $950K Bunting. Besides the fact that the Sens have a tough time re-signing their top talent, shockingly, they only have a 4th and 5th pick in the 2023 draft and they are going to miss the playoffs. Oh yeah and 3 - 7ths

- winsix

you think im joking around????????????
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 11 @ 3:51 PM ET
a friend of a friend overheard someone talking about something their barber told them and I gotta say the sens did not come out looking good in that conversation I tell you hwut
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