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aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Aug 30 @ 8:26 PM ET
its diff
- dellio

"also animals in general as pets in islam are very frowned upon. god created all living things equal so housing them ..is jail and torture"

Your words. Please explain the "diff".
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 8:26 PM ET


Veterinary surgeon, Dr. Ayoub Banderker, BVMCh, wrote this article to coincide with the holy month of Ramadaan.


As salaamu alaikum

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The holy month of Ramadaan has dawned upon us. All believing Muslims look forward to this month as [an uplifting spiritual] period ? in service of Almighty Allah (swt). However, there is one very disturbing event that occurs with the approach of every month of Ramadaan. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ramadaan but has everything to do with ignorance, misinformation, and misinterpretation of the deen of Islam. Our community is faced with many social ills, like child abuse, [the abuse of] women, drugs, etc. Islam is [a] holistic way of life, encompassing every aspect of one's life and environment. Animal abuse, cruelty, and/or neglect form part of the social ills plaguing the Muslim community, locally and globally.

Since February 1999, I have worked as a veterinary surgeon for organizations that primarily serve to see to the health care of animals belonging to the poor [in] underprivileged communities. With the approach of Ramadaan (and also the holiday season), many Muslims bring their dogs (and/or cats) to the animal hospitals or mobile clinics to have them ? euthanized (that is, put to death by lethal injection). The reason given by the majority of these Muslims is, "It is the month of Ramadaan, and my religion forbids me to keep a dog." Another scenario encountered is when an animal [who] has been ill for a prolonged time [is not brought in for veterinary attention until] the disease has progressed to an almost terminal state ? When asked why they waited so long to bring in their dog, the Muslim owner will then, again, use Islam as a reason for his/her apathy, stating that it is not permissible for him/her to touch a dog.

We have a reported case of a dog [whose] legs [were] wrapped in plastic bags [and he was] then carried by two people on either side ? into the hospital. Once again, Islam [was] used as an excuse for this un-Islamic action. There are many more cases of animal cruelty and/or neglect in the name of Islam occurring daily.

Many of the animal welfare organizations in Cape Town get an [increase in the number] of dogs and cats [who are brought] in to be put to death during this time. Yes, there are many people that, for some or other reason, come to have their animals euthanized. In this instance, I am referring particularly to healthy, happy animals belonging to Muslims, being brought in to be put to death. This is a very disturbing and un-Islamic action. If one cannot afford to feed, shelter, and maintain one's animals, and a new home cannot be found for them, then [they should be taken] to one of the many welfare organizations, like the [Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals], Animal Anti-Cruelty League, [or] Animal Welfare Society, where there is at least a chance [that] the animal [will find] a new home. Having existing pets sterilized would also help to prevent unwanted litters, thereby reducing the [number] of unwanted animals. It would be far better than abandoning the animals, which many Muslims are also guilty of.

The real tragedy is that many of these Muslims believe that they are [performing these cruel acts] in the name of Islam and openly express such ignorant views. This not only feeds the propaganda against Islam, but also gives non-Muslims, who may have been interested in Islam, a very negative view of Islam. It hurts tremendously when fellow Muslims use the beautiful deen of Allah and the month of Ramadaan to justify the cruelty to and putting to death of healthy animals.

A dog, as every other living [being] on this earth, is a part of Allah's creation. We, as Muslims, are custodians of this beautiful planet. A dog, if in our possession, as with everything else we claim to own, belongs ultimately to Allah (swt). [We will be accountable for how] we look after our animals and what we use them for ? to Almighty Allah (swt). All of creation is Muslim, submitting to the will of Allah (swt), only man and jinn are granted a freedom of choice. So yes, even animals are Muslim.

In the Holy Qur'aan (S4:36), we are advised to do good to "? what your right hands own? ." According to the commentator, Imaam Faghruddin al-Rhazi, this refers to all those who have no civil rights, including animals. Thus the verse lays down the duty of being good [to] animals.

All animals are part of Allah's creation, and each animal has been created for a purpose. It is a duty upon every human being to respect Allah's creation. ? It, thus, becomes our duty to protect, employ with dignity, and promote the well-being of any animal in our care. In this way, we are expressing our thankfulness to Allah (swt) for His blessings in a practical manner.

If we ill-treat any of His creation, then we will be questioned about it on the Day of Judgment. Sayyidina 'Umar (ra) was even concerned about the animals during his rule as Amir (or head of the Islamic empire). Let me clarify a few myths:

1. It is not haraam to own a dog, though it is not hygienic and, therefore, not permissible to keep a dog in the house.
2. It is not haraam to touch a dog - or any other animal, for that matter. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required [that] you ? wash the body part ? and the item of clothing [that was] touched by the dog's mouth or snout.
3. It is [necessary for] every Muslim who owns animals, whether for farming/work purposes or as pets, to provide adequate shelter, food, water, and, when needed, veterinary care for their animals. Arrangements need to be made, if one is leaving for Hajj or going to be away from home, to have one's animals taken care of, as well.
4. It is haraam/not permissible to use one's dog for dogfighting, as one is causing harm to them. No, it is not natural, for in nature, the weaker would submit and retreat, and the stronger would not continue to pursue in order to kill.

No animal or any of Allah's creation has been cursed in any way. In Surah Kaf, mention is made about the companions of the cave and their dog (S18:18-22). We would love Allah to bestow His mercy on us, so let's show mercy and compassion to his creation. Let us use the intensity of the spiritual light of Ramadaan to obliterate the darkness of ignorance that has enveloped us. It must be stated that there are many Muslims who care well for their animals and that this article is aimed at those who are misinformed. The appeal goes out to those Muslims: Please do not abuse the deen of Islam by [using] it [as] an excuse [to put] your animals to death. This gives a distorted picture to others who are not Muslim. May Allah be pleased with our efforts. Please note that, during the time you read this, hundreds of healthy animals will be put to death in the name of Islam.
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM ET
"also animals in general as pets in islam are very frowned upon. god created all living things equal so housing them ..is jail and torture"

Your words. Please explain the "diff".

- aschuter82

plz look up to the answer
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Aug 30 @ 8:27 PM ET
thats the problem with pppl religion should not evolve in beliefs but certain aspects of anything yes



true meaning the other was off top of my head


Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with dogs. Unfortunately, many Muslims have used this view to justify the abuse and neglect of dogs, even though cruelty contradicts the Qur'an's view that all animals form "communities like you." We are pleased to present several articles examining the place of dogs in Islam.


Let me clarify a few myths and make a few points:

1. It is NOT (sinful)haraam to own a dog, though it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.

2. It is NOT haraam to touch a dog or any other animal. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dog’s mouth or snout.

3. It is incumbent upon all Muslims who own animals, whether for farming or work purposes or as pets, to provide adequate shelter, food, water, and, when needed, veterinary care for their animals. Arrangements must be made, if one is going to be away from home, to have one’s animals taken care of as well.

4. It is haraam to keep a dog or any other animal on a short lead for long periods without food, water, and shelter. Dogs need exercise and are social creatures who form organized “family” structures in nature. Dog owners therefore need to spend time daily with their dogs.

5. It is cruel, and therefore haraam, to keep any animal in a cage so small that it cannot behave in a natural way.

6. Fireworks cause untold suffering to most domestic animals because of their acute sense of hearing.

7. It is haraam to participate in any blood “sport,” like dog fighting and trophy hunting.

No animal has been cursed in any way. Animals are referred to in many instances in the Qu’ran. In Surah Kahf, mention is made of the companions of the Cave and their dog. (S18: 18-22)

We would love for Allah to bestow His mercy upon us, so let’s show mercy and compassion to all His creation. This will also give non-Muslims a true reflection of Islam, aiding da’wah.

There are many Muslims who care well for their animals, and this article is aimed at those who are misinformed.

The appeal goes out to those Muslims: Please do not abuse or neglect any animal. This gives a distorted picture to others who are not Muslim.

May Allah be pleased with our efforts.



haram means sinful

- dellio

i'm not going to read all that crap. but owning a dog is fine, i don't give a poop who you believe in. if you wanna unwaveringly believe stupid thousands year old bullpoop that's up to you.

i used to seriously believe there was a santa claus, but then one day i realized that was stupid and stopped believing in santa claus because common sense dictated that i do that.
aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Aug 30 @ 8:32 PM ET
plz look up to the answer
- dellio

Your post doesn't really differentiate. Kinda says dogs and cats and all animals are subject to the same rules.
Pikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Public transportation is for j
Joined: 08.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 8:38 PM ET
Why muslims hate dogs
- watsonnostaw

They really do. They even cross the street to avoid walking next to them.

Course I cross the street when I see Muslims.
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 8:53 PM ET
They really do. They even cross the street to avoid walking next to them.

Course I cross the street when I see Muslims.

- Pikey

u must have noone near u . when u are in china visiting ur brother ur gonna have a hard time homie. like 1 in 8 chinomans are muslim
Pikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Public transportation is for j
Joined: 08.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 8:56 PM ET
u must have noone near u . when u are in china visiting ur brother ur gonna have a hard time homie. like 1 in 8 chinomans are muslim
- dellio


I would never, ever go to China. Ever.

It's like you don't even know me.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 8:58 PM ET
I would never, ever go to China. Ever.

It's like you don't even know me.

- Pikey

Mexico?
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 8:59 PM ET
I would never, ever go to China. Ever.

It's like you don't even know me.

- Pikey

hows ur bro liking dogs and cats....he must be a skeleton now.

fuk id never go i would die from the cuisine sickening
Pikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Public transportation is for j
Joined: 08.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 9:02 PM ET
Mexico?
- BingoLady

Go to hell.
Pikey
Boston Bruins
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Aug 30 @ 9:03 PM ET
hows ur bro liking dogs and cats....he must be a skeleton now.

fuk id never go i would die from the cuisine sickening

- dellio

Actually he's the heaviest he's ever been, which is still not very heavy. He's about 150lbs. Hong Kong is filled with cheap western food and lots of BBQ pork, rice, etc.

But yes, the food in mainland china is (frank)ing disgusting. Insects and fertilized egg. (frank) that.
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 9:11 PM ET
Actually he's the heaviest he's ever been, which is still not very heavy. He's about 150lbs. Hong Kong is filled with cheap western food and lots of BBQ pork, rice, etc.

But yes, the food in mainland china is (frank)ing disgusting. Insects and fertilized egg. (frank) that.

- Pikey

that fat fuk
Pikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Public transportation is for j
Joined: 08.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 9:17 PM ET
that fat fuk
- dellio


He used to be skin and bones. 120lbs at almost 5'11" was the norm for a long time.
dellio
Calgary Flames
Location: In the night i sit alone wanting you crying out for you wondering who's loving you, AB
Joined: 11.29.2007

Aug 30 @ 9:20 PM ET
He used to be skin and bones. 120lbs at almost 5'11" was the norm for a long time.
- Pikey

typical chinese weight
Pikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Public transportation is for j
Joined: 08.15.2009

Aug 30 @ 9:21 PM ET
typical chinese weight
- dellio

watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Aug 30 @ 11:00 PM ET
Police on Monday night arrested a man who allegedly went into the women's restroom of the Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem and stood on a toilet and peered into an occupied stall, according to court records.

Jose Luis Carrera-Guitierrez, 21, of Brooklyn, Jew York is charged with disorderly conduct and is in Northampton County Prison under $3,000 bail.

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 30 @ 11:04 PM ET
dont hate them but they are not clean my boy we can own them for work purposes but the saliva if in contact with u or them wash your hands 7 times. also animals in general as pets in islam are very frowned upon. god created all living things equal so housing them ..is jail and torture
- dellio



how's your cat?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 30 @ 11:06 PM ET
They really do. They even cross the street to avoid walking next to them.

Course I cross the street when I see Muslims.

- Pikey



i like to cruise atlantic avenue with my dog and watch the wienerheads part like the red sea
then they huddle back to their tables to sell their anti american video tapes and nasty polyester hoods and whatnot
Don'tForgetTocchet
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Aug 30 @ 11:11 PM ET
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