When I was in my teens, many of us who wanted a summer job, who go into Manpower to look for work, and ended up down in Southern Ontario picking tobacco or produce.

Today most Canadian teens, born in Canada would never consider this as an option, and I doubt Service Canada even offers this as a option. It's all temporary foreign workers picking tobacco or produce.

Imagine what a tomato would cost if the minimum wage was $14.00 per hour and Canadian born teens actually took these Summer jobs.
- Doppleganger

I'm sure Dopps agrees with you entering the free market and selling pot. He certainly wouldn't want the government telling us what we can and can't sell, right?
- Feeling Glucky?

Admittedly I lean a lot more Libertarian in my views.

EDIT: In a town of 5000 people you'd be surprised what people will pay for a bag of quality weed. Sadly, the cops get to know you pretty fast as well.

lol

Honestly, it's ridiculous to look at the people who's job it is to make sure the country runs properly, and take their word over the people who's job it is to fill their own pockets with as much as they can, regardless of the cost to others.

Can you imagine if the government stepped in and told companies not to use toxic materials in kids toys, and instead used more expensive, safe materials? WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL TOY MANUFACTURERS HOW TO MAKE TOYS!?

Things where much better when there was plenty of trusty lead paint to go around, right dopps? Today's kids are missing out on those tasty snacks you grew up on.
- Feeling Glucky?

Again you go with a false equivalent.

Being forced (by the government) to pay someone more than a job is worth leads to higher operating costs for Employers. They then have to decide to either layoff people, charge higher prices at the risk of losing business which then lowers profits and the downward spiral begins.

This does not equate in any way with Government regulating business for safety reasons ( lead paint on toys ).

How much are you willing to pay for a Big Mac if everyone working at a McDonalds was being paid $14.00 an hour or higher?

If someone wants to earn more than the minimum wage, they will improve their skills and increase their value to their employer who, if they were smart, would increase their compensation to retain them. If the employee shops their services around they could find themselves a higher paying job elsewhere.

You clearly don't have clue as to how the free market system works best.

You seem to come down on the side of Government controlling more and more aspects of life, including how much employers must pay employees regardless if they're worth it or not.

Again you go with a false equivalent.

Being forced (by the government) to pay someone more than a job is worth leads to higher operating costs for Employers. They then have to decide to either layoff people, charge higher prices at the risk of losing business which then lowers profits and the downward spiral begins.

This does not equate in any way with Government regulating business for safety reasons ( lead paint on toys ).

How much are you willing to pay for a Big Mac if everyone working at a McDonalds was being paid $14.00 an hour or higher?

If someone wants to earn more than the minimum wage, they will improve their skills and increase their value to their employer who, if they were smart, would increase their compensation to retain them. If the employee shops their services around they could find themselves a higher paying job elsewhere.

You clearly don't have clue as to how the free market system works best.

You seem to come down on the side of Government controlling more and more aspects of life, including how much employers must pay employees regardless if they're worth it or not.
- Doppleganger

I'm not going with any false equivalency. I'm showing a pretty damned clear example of how companies can't be trusted with the common good. That's why we have government. If we could just count on people to do the right things, anarchy wouldn't be a problem, and we could disban the government and live happily ever after.

You, on the other hand start with a hypothetical, and base your entire argument off that(or rather the right-wing literature you worship does that, and you monkey along)... again, with no basis in reality.

Minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation over the last several decades.
People don't work minimum wage jobs because they're lazy, or don't want a better education. People aren't all equally able, nor do they all come from situations that allow them to get a proper education.

The current situation leads to a vicious cycle, where you don't have money to get an education, and you can't get money to get an education because you don't have an education... so what are the options? Take student loans and go into crazy debt? Work 40+ hours a week at a ridiculously low minimum wage to pay your way through school... but not have time for your studies, and ultimately fail? Great options.

lol
- -davies-

I'm sorry.

Admittedly I lean a lot more Libertarian in my views.

EDIT: In a town of 5000 people you'd be surprised what people will pay for a bag of quality weed. Sadly, the cops get to know you pretty fast as well.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I think there should be less government involvement in people's personal lives, but more government control over corporations.

Given the chance, big corporations will bleed the nations they operate in dry. They take money from the many and concentrate it in the few. They look for as many shortcuts as possible that will help them in their pursuit of the almighty dollar, and wind up putting their employees and customers in harm's way.

Unfortunately, it's gotten to the point where big corporations control the government through lobbyists. Big companies are given exemptions and benefits that small companies couldn't dream of, allowing them to destroy smaller businesses, and starve the entrepreneurship that drives capitalist countries... the only way for capitalism to keep on functioning is to draw from socialism a bit, and take from the top to support the bottom.

- Lahey

I understand.

I understand.
- Feeling Glucky?

She's gone crazy, I know.

I'm not going with any false equivalency. I'm showing a pretty damned clear example of how companies can't be trusted with the common good. That's why we have government. If we could just count on people to do the right things, anarchy wouldn't be a problem, and we could disban the government and live happily ever after.

You, on the other hand start with a hypothetical, and base your entire argument off that(or rather the right-wing literature you worship does that, and you monkey along)... again, with no basis in reality.

Minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation over the last several decades.
People don't work minimum wage jobs because they're lazy, or don't want a better education. People aren't all equally able, nor do they all come from situations that allow them to get a proper education.

The current situation leads to a vicious cycle, where you don't have money to get an education, and you can't get money to get an education because you don't have an education... so what are the options? Take student loans and go into crazy debt? Work 40+ hours a week at a ridiculously low minimum wage to pay your way through school... but not have time for your studies, and ultimately fail? Great options.
- Feeling Glucky?

You have all the excuses down pat, as if you were reading them verbatim, right out of the Communist Manifesto.

I always hear students whining about "Student debt" and how they're already behind the eight-ball once they graduate from University with a liberal Arts degree, and then complain that they can't find work in their field and how society owes them a living.

What I see in that scenario is a student whose parents did not have the foresight to put money away for their child's post secondary education. My child will graduate in a couple of years, with a degree in a field that is in high demand, and will have zero problem finding work in my child's field of study. Not only that, my child will have zero student debt because I started to put money away for University twenty years ago (RESP).

I usually just went to Hire-A-Student and the best paying jobs were usually picking rocks for farmers. That was fairly lucrative until I started selling pot when I was in Grade 11.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

And I bet you charged whatever the market would bear, not some arbitrary price enforced by your supplier.

You have all the excuses down pat, as if you were reading them verbatim, right out of the Communist Manifesto.

I always hear students whining about "Student debt" and how they're already behind the eight-ball once they graduate from University with a liberal Arts degree, and then complain that they can't find work in their field and how society owes them a living.

What I see in that scenario is a student whose parents did not have the foresight to put money away for their child's post secondary education. My child will graduate in a couple of years, with a degree in a field that is in high demand, and will have zero problem finding work in my child's field of study. Not only that, my child will have zero student debt because I started to put money away for University twenty years ago (RESP).
- Doppleganger

And I bet you charged whatever the market would bear, not some arbitrary price enforced by your supplier.
- Doppleganger

Pot sellers aren't really noted for being constricted by government enforced market regulations other than possible criminal charges.

You have all the excuses down pat, as if you were reading them verbatim, right out of the Communist Manifesto.

I always hear students whining about "Student debt" and how they're already behind the eight-ball once they graduate from University with a liberal Arts degree, and then complain that they can't find work in their field and how society owes them a living.

What I see in that scenario is a student whose parents did not have the foresight to put money away for their child's post secondary education. My child will graduate in a couple of years, with a degree in a field that is in high demand, and will have zero problem finding work in my child's field of study. Not only that, my child will have zero student debt because I started to put money away for University twenty years ago (RESP).
- Doppleganger

I'm lucky enough that my parents did that as well.
And I didn't have much trouble finding a job after graduating, because my parents helped me out financially while I was in school... so I could do placements and extracurriculars, and get the experience I needed.

But that's because my parents weren't living off minimum wage, and could afford to do that- because they came to Canada at a time where the economy was booming.

A friend of mine was emancipated at age 16... it's safe to say he wasn't getting an RESP from his parents. He graduated, and got a job, but he's $60,000 in debt. A big part of the problem is that very few internships in our field offer a living wage, if any wage at all.

At the same time you're saying my generation feels it's entitled to a job, you say that it's the parent's fault for not having the foresight to get RESPs. You do realize that not everyone is well-off enough, or comes from a stable enough environment to have these kinds of benefits, right? You're aware that the cost of education and living is much higher than it used to be, and wages haven't kept up, right?

Keeping the money in the pockets of people who want to hoarde as much of it as possible doesn't help the economy, it leads to the financial crisis the world sees now. Saying that money should be re-introduced to the spending public, so they can help many small businesses grow rather than 2 or 3 monolithic corporations that own everything isn't communism, and if you think it is... you've got the political knowledge of a conservative pundit.

I'm lucky enough that my parents did that as well.
And I didn't have much trouble finding a job after graduating, because my parents helped me out financially while I was in school... so I could do placements and extracurriculars, and get the experience I needed.

But that's because my parents weren't living off minimum wage, and could afford to do that- because they came to Canada at a time where the economy was booming.

A friend of mine was emancipated at age 16... it's safe to say he wasn't getting an RESP from his parents. He graduated, and got a job, but he's $60,000 in debt. A big part of the problem is that very few internships in our field offer a living wage, if any wage at all.

At the same time you're saying my generation feels it's entitled to a job, you say that it's the parent's fault for not having the foresight to get RESPs. You do realize that not everyone is well-off enough, or comes from a stable enough environment to have these kinds of benefits, right? You're aware that the cost of education and living is much higher than it used to be, and wages haven't kept up, right?

Keeping the money in the pockets of people who want to hoarde as much of it as possible doesn't help the economy, it leads to the financial crisis the world sees now. Saying that money should be re-introduced to the spending public, so they can help many small businesses grow rather than 2 or 3 monolithic corporations that own everything isn't communism, and if you think it is... you've got the political knowledge of a conservative pundit.
- Feeling Glucky?

I for one appreciate how you always finish your accusations of his generalizations with one of your own.


it makes for cuter posts.


the symmetry of the interweb forum fight is a dying art.

I'm lucky enough that my parents did that as well.
And I didn't have much trouble finding a job after graduating, because my parents helped me out financially while I was in school... so I could do placements and extracurriculars, and get the experience I needed.

But that's because my parents weren't living off minimum wage, and could afford to do that- because they came to Canada at a time where the economy was booming.

A friend of mine was emancipated at age 16... it's safe to say he wasn't getting an RESP from his parents. He graduated, and got a job, but he's $60,000 in debt. A big part of the problem is that very few internships in our field offer a living wage, if any wage at all.

At the same time you're saying my generation feels it's entitled to a job, you say that it's the parent's fault for not having the foresight to get RESPs. You do realize that not everyone is well-off enough, or comes from a stable enough environment to have these kinds of benefits, right? You're aware that the cost of education and living is much higher than it used to be, and wages haven't kept up, right?

Keeping the money in the pockets of people who want to hoarde as much of it as possible doesn't help the economy, it leads to the financial crisis the world sees now. Saying that money should be re-introduced to the spending public, so they can help many small businesses grow rather than 2 or 3 monolithic corporations that own everything isn't communism, and if you think it is... you've got the political knowledge of a conservative pundit.
- Feeling Glucky?

bud,
would you waste that many characters telling a retarded person to stop drooling? it's involuntary. retards don't even know they're drooling.

some retards just can't stop drooling.

dt,
ruin this for glucks so he can just get on with his life.

dt,
ruin this for glucks so he can just get on with his life.
- kicksave856

it's for the best



edit: or as crims would say: "it's for the vest"

I for one appreciate how you always finish your accusations of his generalizations with one of your own.


it makes for cuter posts.


the symmetry of the interweb forum fight is a dying art.
- dt99999

"Conservative Pundits" are a pretty small group if you think about it, probably under 100... and they're all visible because of the entertainment value that their idiocy brings. I'm not saying all conservatives are dumb... but the loudest ones tend to be... because thoughtful, insightful discourse doesn't really make for good soundbites.

bud,
would you waste that many characters telling a retarded person to stop drooling? it's involuntary. retards don't even know they're drooling.

some retards just can't stop drooling.
- kicksave856

Because I'm waiting for people to get back to me on all the projects that have been taking up my time the last month and a half... and what else am I going to do?

Talk about all the hockey my team isn't playing?

Because I'm waiting for people to get back to me on all the projects that have been taking up my time the last month and a half... and what else am I going to do?

Talk about all the hockey my team isn't playing?
- Feeling Glucky?

just let him go. you win the arguments when you aren't even here. just let him babble.

what fun is it? there's no challenge.

just let him go. you win the arguments when you aren't even here. just let him babble.

what fun is it? there's no challenge.
- kicksave856

It hurts me when people are so wrong about things, I can't help myself.