God dammit.

Da (frank) is wrong these kids in this thread? Is arguing on the internet actually entertaining to you?

GTFO
- DTF69

hey, why don't you just shut the (frank) up?!












just kidding

hey, why don't you just shut the (frank) up?!












just kidding
- kicksave856

Your bunny thing is strangely entertaining.

But this is not the thread for such conversation

Your bunny thing is strangely entertaining.

But this is not the thread for such conversation
- DTF69

thank you and i am sorry.

oh for the love of god you're dumb
- annoyance_101

For saying that the better player is better?

For saying that the better player is better?

- Schenn-Sational!

not at all...for adding kessel to the list... there was no debate if he would fit into the canucks top 6...kulemin would not however...

not at all...for adding kessel to the list... there was no debate if he would fit into the canucks top 6...kulemin would not however...
- Brother Daniel

why are you fixating on Kessel?

But if you do admit that he'd make the top-6, how can you deny Kulemin would? Nikolai has been a better player this season at both ends of the ice.

why are you fixating on Kessel?

But if you do admit that he'd make the top-6, how can you deny Kulemin would? Nikolai has been a better player this season at both ends of the ice.
- Schenn-Sational!

Kessel in my opinion would make a perfect match for the Sedins...I dont think he'd play well at all on the Canucks 2nd line...as long as kessel kept his stick down on the ice he'd make a good sniper for the canucks 1st line though...he's got skills...and so does kulemin...but not on kessels level...kessel will never reach his full potential on the leafs the way they are currently though...that franchise is a mess...

Kessel in my opinion would make a perfect match for the Sedins...I dont think he'd play well at all on the Canucks 2nd line...as long as kessel kept his stick down on the ice he'd make a good sniper for the canucks 1st line though...he's got skills...and so does kulemin...but not on kessels level...kessel will never reach his full potential on the leafs the way they are currently though...that franchise is a mess...
- Brother Daniel

For sure Kessel has more skill than Kulemin, but Nikolai has been outplaying him this year.

Kulemin, this year, is better offensively and defensively than 3/4 of your top-6 wingers. That's not because of injury, or ice time, and is in spite of inferior line-mates... I mean, I'd take MacA over the 3 guys I mentioned on the nucks, but having Sedin/Kesler down the center is really what makes the difference.

can we plz not turn the misc. threads into boring leaf talk. ty

*goes back into shunning*

i could say the same about you we werent debating about kessel you (frank)in idiot
- annoyance_101

Epic posts are very long posts, whatever the subject is.
Not any random stupid posts that can be found on any HB page.

Also, STFU.

For sure Kessel has more skill than Kulemin, but Nikolai has been outplaying him this year.

Kulemin, this year, is better offensively and defensively than 3/4 of your top-6 wingers. That's not because of injury, or ice time, and is in spite of inferior line-mates... I mean, I'd take MacA over the 3 guys I mentioned on the nucks, but having Sedin/Kesler down the center is really what makes the difference.
- Schenn-Sational!

of course you'd take leafs over the canucks...even though the canucks are first over all in goals for...and 4th in goals against, with the same top 6 that they had last season and the leafs powerhouse team is 23rd in GF, and 25th in GA... i'm sure because your top 6 are so great...

You loved that bit about the urine didn't you?
- aschuter82

nah nicca wutsun did

of course you'd take leafs over the canucks...even though the canucks are first over all in goals for...and 4th in goals against, with the same top 6 that they had last season and the leafs powerhouse team is 23rd in GF, and 25th in GA... i'm sure because your top 6 are so great...
- Brother Daniel

did I say our top-6 is great?

Kessel, MacA, and Kulemin could easily replace Samuelsson, Raymond, and Burrows. Each one of those Leafs is playing better than the Nuck players mentioned, despite being on a worse team.

The Leafs don't have the Sedins or Kesler, but the way you've been talking, you seem to think those other 3 spare parts are stars.

This thread is ru-eened.

This thread is ru-eened.
- DTF69

I'll stop. I haven't been contributing any epicness.

I'll stop. I haven't been contributing any epicness.
- Schenn-Sational!

do u ever?

do u ever?
- jesustouchedme

i have

no
- Schenn-Sational!

fixed

fixed
- Brother Daniel

gee, wonder where yancy went

gee, wonder where yancy went
- Schenn-Sational!

you only just noticed that? wow you're a quick one...gee i wonder where glucker still went

Raymond and Burrows have missed a large chunk of the season...and Burrows is back on pace with what he did last season...yes his numbers may not match what he did last season but that is because of the games that he missed and that it took him about 10 games for him to find his stride again...Raymond would have come close to matching his numbers...Samuelsson always has better second half of the season...and he is yet again proving it this half of the season...he has been one of the most productive players in teh last 5 games than almost anyone in the league...and i'm not sure why you threw torres in as one of the canucks top 6 lol that was only the case when burrows was out for the first 10 games of the season or when raymond was injured...other than that he has been a 3rd liner with malhotra and hansen...if you're going to add torres as a top 6 why not say tambellini too? oh right because they arent actually top 6 on the canucks...just like kulemin wouldnt be...
- annoyance_101

epic post

Bench clearing brawls are a thing of the past. Thats like saying too young to remember slavery.
- Deadstar

Ummmm...

Mike how stubborn you are, for ages people have asked you to turn off the CAPS.. you never respond like you don't read the posts. This column confirms that have READ EVERYTHING AND ARE JUST STUBBORN!

Your EGO proceeds you.

I am an avid sports fan and track many sites.. and never felt the need to post here on HockeyBuzz till today..

Your rant versus the fed up gentleman.. clearly shows your lack of logic.

From day one you have railroaded Kaberle.. and every opportunity you get you try to initiate rumours on his trade.

Like Frost you like to hear your own voice and those that pat you on the back.

Truth is since Burke has been in we have gone from competitive to non-competitive.. the Muskoka Five are what made us competitive. See people like you see the glass as half empty... then when you try to fill it you realize your ineptitude.

Where are you going to replace Kaberle's 50 plus points (on pace for 56) for 4 million? I will remind you that as he added these points he is playing on probably one of the worst Leaf teams ever. Everyone of you Kaberle haters talks about how he is declining.. haven't the teams been getting worse? Did he not normally play with a Center with 80+ points? Where has he seen that in the last 4 years? Yet his production is consistent.

If anything Kaberle is who we should build this team around.. Phaneuf.. as captain.. a player who over commits and is super selfish.. yet the player that is anything but that is the consumate team player you want to mail bomb.

This rant is not only dedicated to you but every one of your ilk.

Kaberle's biggest knock is that he is not a physical defender.. and that he isn't defensive first.

You all miss out on the fact that he has played with collassal minus players and made them better... McCabe was a cluster-f**k defender just like Phaneuf... and Kaberle kept him in the plus for years.. even when McCabe always held a lower plus minus than Kaberle in every season and in every instance.

Take Schenn for example.. a complete bust.. although he tries hard and I personally like him... where would he be this season without the out pass to Kaberle?

Kaberle is one of the best puck-handlers in the NHL.. and I don't care how many Gardiner's they are bringing in next year.. you will never replace an almost 60 pt defender on a bad team with 3 superstar defenders.


Look at his price.. his dedication to the team.. his quiet leadership.. his unselfishness.. and most of all his game winning goals and assists..

many of you that crapped on Sundin & Kaberle forget that both score important goals... when the team needed them.. with a better supporting cast both would've been part of a dynasty.. but that is what they get for being nice.

Their reward Wilson talking down to them.. and being run out of town by idiots.

What has Wilson ever won...

the problem was not the soft players but the argumentative boss.. that thinks he is better than all.. Wilson would rather pick on the fans that have supported this team through the worst years.. then take blame for his inadequacies.

The only crayon pusher is the one that can't even formulate a game plan for special teams.. over 4 seasons.

I do like Burke as I think he handles the media well and can trade players to a market that has such a spotlight that very few GM's want to be a partner in trades. ut over the last few years I have to agree with some others.. in that he might not be the guy to rebuild the team. I might be thinking he might be the last few pieces GM instead of a rebuild guy. Clearly we are rebuilding!!

Mike so where are you going to replace the 60pt defender on a bad team.. clearly Burke's overpaying for rubbish defenders and yet you think Gunnar.. & Blacker are going to replace him.


THE LEAFS SHOULD RESIGN KABERLE LONGTERM..

he is not the type of defender that gets hit.. so like Lidstrom he can play into his late years. He is our future in developing not out past.
- DoctorNHL

shortkid994
17 mins ago
k so let me get this right essentially the leafs traded Viktor Stalberg, Chris DiDomenico and Philippe Paradis for a late 1st rounder(26-30) and a late 3rd rounder

KushNPurp
17 mins ago
In a video interview with Kris he sounded pretty happy to go and he said and I quote, 'I'm going to miss the guys in the room and that's about it.'

hadman1
18 mins ago
I've got to think this has to be a part of something bigger on Burke's part, and that he will parlay this 1st round pick in to something more substantial. Otherwise, it amounts to what could be a 30th pick in the first round. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

peacefulcanadian
18 mins ago
Any time a GM starts flipping players he has recently acquired it is a sign he has no idea what he is doing. JP Ricciardi was a classic for this stunt and now Burke has done it with Beauchemin and Versteeg. It may be time to try and rid ourselves of the worst contract of all, Mr. Burke's.

ArgosFan
18 mins ago
I'd be fine with the Leafs tanking this season and giving Boston a high pick as that would also mean the Leafs' 2nd rounder would be a very-high 2nd rounder too. Then, tank next year too to get a top five pick and then use that to build the team - the Leafs' 'core' players are still 1 or 2 years away from hitting their stride so may as well load up for then.

PGTID1
19 mins ago
BB ,giving Kris his Valentine and his Carrie Underwood moment all at the same time!

Ogilthorpe3
19 mins ago
So now Burke wants draft picks? Why not save your first pick for a solid draft year, say 2010; not a weak draft like 2011.
Compare this to the Fisher trade, and the Sens made out like bandits. Desperation move by the Leafs. Top 5 pick guaranteed for the Bruins now. Only decent trade Burke has made to this point is acquiring Aulie (not Phaneuf).

timbo44
20 mins ago
This is obviously part of a youth movement. Get rid of a 24 year-old and add a couple of as-yet unknown 18 year-olds through the draft. Let's try to follow the bouncing ball: Tlusty for Paradis (Burke described him as a 'prototypical power forward' at the time); Paradis, Stalberg & DiDomenico for Versteeg.

It's a revolving door and Burke's legacy as perhaps the worst GM in Leaf history is further established.

Caper
20 mins ago
not a leaf fan ,but ithink this trade is OK, Burke needed a first round pick and got it, the rebuilding is under the way, and the leafs will be a much better team next year. On defense they have Pineauf, shenn, Aulie, Gunnarsson, goaltending is Reimer or the Monster the answer? up front you got Kessel,Bozak, Grabovski, Kulemin Kadri (waiting). It'll be interesting to see what Burkes gets for Kaberle (another first rounder 2012) and it's long been speculated that Burke will get Brad Richards in the summer when unrestricted free agent starts, he might over pay but he got the room. Like it or not Toronto is heading in the right direction.

rwgroot60
20 mins ago
I think this is a good trade
Isn't it reallt Stalberg for a first and a third
I'd do that in a heart beat

don_thebiker
20 mins ago
Hey Leaf Nation when are you gonna run Burkey out of town?? He is ruining your team like Milbury did to the Islanders!

sarcasmo
20 mins ago
Ha ha, Leaf Nation is specializing in the Export business now! ha ha

n00bxqb
20 mins ago
@dog61:
A rental mediocre defenseman is not worth a Top 5 pick, Richards doesn't want to end his career on a terrible team like the Leafs, and you need your own picks to sign players to an offer sheet which TOR doesn't have. The only surprise that Burke has pulled off so far is actually making 1 good trade during his tenure by shipping out Beauchemin for a promising prospect and Lupul.

Grumpalicious
20 mins ago
For those wondering how Philly fit this under the cap it's because of Laperierre being gone. They were allowed to use his cap hit which was over 3 million I believe.

NHLonTSN
21 mins ago
Wow, poor Burke! Just reading the comments on here is funny. Everyone has been wanting a first round pick back, now you've got one. It's going to be at the end of the round, but common, give Burke a break! Versteeg hasn't be

Dude15
21 mins ago
Don't get it. Versteeg had 15 more points than Bozak and with less ice time. Starting to have my doubts with BB.

backhndr
1 hour ago
Wouldnt be surprised if something else is coming from Burke .

notaleafsfan
1 hour ago
Super stuff Brian....a 29th or 30th pick in what they are calling a weaker draft year. I think Burke just makes moves to shut people up for a few days when things are sucking in Leaf land. You know, I actually thought BB was going to make a difference in Toronto when he arrived.....so glad I was wrong.

JustBob
1 hour ago
Burke is like a gambling addict who keeps losing but is still convinced that if he keeps gambling he can beat the system.

Clobber253
1 hour ago
I thought when Versteeg came to the Leafs he would add something that they lacked. Well, 6 months later, I would have to say it was a flop. He appeared to me, by his own admission, to be someone who had nothing to prove and did some pretty weird stuff on the ice that showed his lack of experience. this mouth guard thing says it all. Leafs need character players who bring it every night. With his third or forth worst +/- on the team, he has nothing to smile about. I'm happy his gone and I am sure other will agree that he is a acquisition that turned out to be a dud. Another salary dumped.

First of all, I did not say that Kovy would be a 4th line winger. I have said a ''4th winger''. In French, I would say a ''quatrième ailier''. This mean a second line winger.

Secondly, even when Kovy is a no show, he is more entertaining to watch than the vast majority of our current players. It is my opinion and like I have said before, I watch NHL hockey to see plays that I can’t do on the ice. I’m a creative player, so watching Kovalev is a real pleasure to me. He is just on another level. Him and Datsyuk are magicians on the ice.

Finally, I just want to respond to the nonsensical rhetoric that I keep seeing on this site. For those who believe that Kovalev is a ''cancer'' in the dressing room or that he ''doesn’t care'' or that he is ''lazy''; you guys are unfortunately the consequence of a bad media coverage that is made by crappy journalists.

Look at those facts:

- He is well appreciated by his teammates*.
- 990 points so far.
- He is 37 years old and he is still playing the game.
- Gainey/Carbo liked him; this mean something.


He might have a particular attitude due to mental issues, but he reminds a passionate hockey player and a unique one. Don't hate him because he hasn't score 100 points a season, it is ridiculous. Kovalev is a talented player, but he doesn't produce a lot. That's why we don't consider him as a superstar.

* A fresh proof from yesterday.

Peter Regin on Kovalev

"I think that he's misunderstood in the media sometimes," said Regin. "He does care a lot. He wants to win, he wants his teammates to play good and feel good."

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=354008

...

Alex Kovalev is great and if you don't agree you can (frank) off.

I rest my case.


- KovalevOnIce

lol