go look at kessels last 10 games including tonight.

2 points in his last 10 AND A MINUS 9.


16-Dec-09 Tor Phx 1 0 1 -1
18-Dec-09 Tor Buf 0 0 0 -2
19-Dec-09 Tor Bos 0 0 0 0
21-Dec-09 Tor Buf 0 0 0 -1
23-Dec-09 Tor NYI 0 0 0 -2
26-Dec-09 Tor Mtl 0 0 0 0
27-Dec-09 Tor Pit 0 0 0 -1
30-Dec-09 Tor Edm 1 0 1 0
02-Jan-10 Tor Cgy 0 0 0 -2
05 Jan-10 Tor Fla 0 0 0 0

then you have the nerve to say that he is better than penner because PENNER is sliding???? do you not see how dumb you look?

edit: who's mathematically challenged now?
- gretzky

You've just confirmed it (again). You really are stupid. At the time it was said, it was BEFORE tonight's game, wasn't it? Why don't you follow this?

And it's not Penner is sliding. He's been playing at the same pace he's carried the rest of his career, since November. How is this so hard to understand for you? I never compared him to Kessel. You started that.

And quite frankly, it's laughable that you're trying to justify a 50 to 60 point lazy bum's production, by comparing it to a 21 year old kid's production, fresh off shoulder surgery.

So, to answer your question, YOU are. Either that, or you just can't read. Or understand anything.

You've just confirmed it (again). You really are stupid. At the time it was said, it was BEFORE tonight's game, wasn't it? Why don't you follow this?

And it's not Penner is sliding. He's been playing at the same pace he's carried the rest of his career, since November. How is this so hard to understand for you? I never compared him to Kessel. You started that.

And quite frankly, it's laughable that you're trying to justify a 50 to 60 point lazy bum's production, by comparing it to a 21 year old kid's production, fresh off shoulder surgery.

So, to answer your question, YOU are. Either that, or you just can't read. Or understand anything.
- prock

when i said kessels stats it was AFTER the game. just admit that kessel is no better than penner. their career goals per season is very close and penner is owning kessel this year. current production>last years production. kessel is younger and that is the only thing he has on penner

when i said kessels stats it was AFTER the game. just admit that kessel is no better than penner. their career goals per season is very close and penner is owning kessel this year. current production>last years production. kessel is younger and that is the only thing he has on penner
- gretzky

Very stupid argument. Kessel is 22, the same age Penner was when he finally cracked the NHL putting up 7 points in 19 games. You are comparing the careers of two vastly different players with one of them, Kessel, having obviously superior talent.

when i said kessels stats it was AFTER the game. just admit that kessel is no better than penner. their career goals per season is very close and penner is owning kessel this year. current production>last years production. kessel is younger and that is the only thing he has on penner
- gretzky

Their career goals per season in close, I'm sure. That's really lovely. But you're including years when Kessel was 18 and 19 years old. A boy playing with men.

And while I'd still say Kessel is quite a bit better right now, for many reasons, even if you want to think he isn't, one of them has room to grow, the other is 27 or 28, is in his prime, and will be on the downside of his career in a year or two.

If you're going to compare Penner to a Leaf, stick with Ponikarovski. They're similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play. It's just that Penner gets paid twice as much, and is older.

If you're going to compare Penner to a Leaf, stick with Ponikarovski. They're similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play. It's just that Penner gets paid twice as much, and is older.
- prock

Oh and he has won a Stanley Cup.

Oh and he has won a Stanley Cup.
- hello_there

Which shows that he has been on a good team. Nothing more. Francois Beauchemin had the most icetime in the playoffs on a Stanley Cup winning team. Can I assume you think he's better than Markov by your statement?

Oh and he has won a Stanley Cup.
- hello_there

C'mon. What exactly does that prove? Penner was lucky to be on the best team in hockey is all it proves.

C'mon. What exactly does that prove? Penner was lucky to be on the best team in hockey is all it proves.
- RogerRoeper

He certainly learned a lot from that experience. It's worth something.

Which shows that he has been on a good team. Nothing more. Francois Beauchemin had the most icetime in the playoffs on a Stanley Cup winning team. Can I assume you think he's better than Markov by your statement?
- prock

No because they are not similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play. Are you stupid?

No because they are not similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play. Are you stupid?
- hello_there

That still makes no sense. You're still ignoring the other 22 players on the roster. Penner has a cup, Rick Nash does not. Is Penner better than Nash?

That still makes no sense. You're still ignoring the other 22 players on the roster. Penner has a cup, Rick Nash does not. Is Penner better than Nash?
- prock

Ok you are stupid.

being a leaf fan isnt agony, but listening to all the haters on here sure is. it seems being a leaf hater is a way worse existance than being a leaf fan, some of the people on here have severe issues with the toronto maple leafs and it is scary.

Ok you are stupid.
- hello_there

i dont know what the language barrier is like for you but are basically saying no two players can be compared as havin the same style of play if one has a cup ring and the other doesnt.

He certainly learned a lot from that experience. It's worth something.
- hello_there

Yeah, he sucked for 2 years after that and showed up to camp fat and out of shape.

Ok you are stupid.
- hello_there

You have awful arguments that are defeated by simple logic.

i dont know what the language barrier is like for you but are basically saying no two players can be compared as havin the same style of play if one has a cup ring and the other doesnt.
- sniper12

what?

Yeah, he sucked for 2 years after that and showed up to camp fat and out of shape.
- RogerRoeper

Not many players didn't suck under MacT.

what?
- hello_there

just as i thought.

You have awful arguments that are defeated by simple logic.
- bureforearthsprez

Read again.

All I'm saying is if I have the choice between two similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play and only one of the two has a Cup ring, I'd take the one who has won it all before over the other one who has not.

just as i thought.
- sniper12

Dude, learn to write English. Seriously.

Dude, learn to write English. Seriously.
- hello_there

learn to back up your stupid arguements, you make a fool of yourself in just about every thread.

Read again.

All I'm saying is if I have the choice between two similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play and only one of the two has a Cup ring, I'd take the one who has won it all before over the other one who has not.
- hello_there

Well age is also a factor, and it is a much better factor then a cup ring even if style, skill, scoring and level of play are all equal. Your argument fails. Anyone would take Kessel over Penner and you'd have to be dumber then Milbury to argue otherwise.

Well age is also a factor, and it is a much better factor then a cup ring even if style, skill, scoring and level of play are all equal. Your argument fails. Anyone would take Kessel over Penner and you'd have to be dumber then Milbury to argue otherwise.
- bureforearthsprez

he has convinced me thus far

Well age is also a factor, and it is a much better factor then a cup ring even if style, skill, scoring and level of play are all equal. Your argument fails. Anyone would take Kessel over Penner and you'd have to be dumber then Milbury to argue otherwise.
- bureforearthsprez

Read again.

If you're going to compare Penner to a Leaf, stick with Ponikarovski. They're similar players in style, skill, scoring, and level of play. It's just that Penner gets paid twice as much, and is older.
- prock

Oh and he has won a Stanley Cup.
- hello_there

Damn. What a waste of my time.

Not many players didn't suck under MacT.
- hello_there

Yeah, yeah. Let's blame the coach for Penner showing up out-of-shape and sucking.