We can debate that if you wish. He'll get paid less, but he'll still be paid for everything he brings to the table as a player, and not just for his goal scoring.
- MJL

I completely agree with that, honestly i do. I just think guys who produce points a high level, make the big bucks.

For me, id rather have 12 mike fishers then 12 kovalchunks

The team on paper right now is much better IMO then the team we saw last season and in the playoffs.

I don't see another team with depth of the top 9 forwards or top 6 defense the Flyers have.

I'm pumped for this upcoming season.
- Buts16

I agree. But where is the biggest question mark? The same place as always and arguably (I know after this years POs a lot of people are saying you can win with any hot goalie) the most important position. It is just my opinion that if they don't address it further I will be pissed off.

I gtg climbing or I'll go crazy.
Nice talking hockey in July.
Peace.

It's a tough arguement.

Briere is not good defensively but he makes $6.5 million but he's paid to be a playoff warrior which he is.

The Flyers are very lucky to have two players like Carter and Richards who are both very good offensively and defensively.
- Buts16

If Briere were to play center regularly through at least a considerable stretch, do you think he would have looked better defensively at that position?

If Briere were to play center regularly through at least a considerable stretch, do you think he would have looked better defensively at that position?
- BulliesPhan87

no...hes never been good defensively

no...hes never been good defensively
- flyershockey

And he isn't getting paid to play defense either...just sayin.
Danny brings it when it counts.....

The Flyers on papaer are the best team in the East....

And he isn't getting paid to play defense either...just sayin.
Danny brings it when it counts.....

The Flyers on papaer are the best team in the East....
- iskatefast

annnnnd you just made my point...thank you. he has a 6.5 mil hit and is not a 2 way player.

no...hes never been good defensively
- flyershockey

Just thinking out loud on that one. Not saying he'd be a defensive stud, I just think he'd be more accustomed to his positioning if he wasn't switched to another position partway into the playoffs.

Funny thing.

They rip Carter for being streaky yet last season he went 3+ games with out a point 5 times.

Richards went 3+ games with out a point 6 times.

Yet Carter is the streaky one not Richards!

Richards is Utley and Carter is Howard.

No matter what Carter and Howard do it's still not good enough, very odd.
- Buts16

People are racist.

annnnnd you just made my point...thank you. he has a 6.5 mil hit and is not a 2 way player.
- flyershockey

And if you've listened to everybody even slightly aware of the flyers in the past two years you'd know he's fairly overpaid, just like Drury and the others mentioned.

I'm not saying he's not worth a few million, but $6.5 mil per is extra for a one way forward.

annnnnd you just made my point...thank you. he has a 6.5 mil hit and is not a 2 way player.
- flyershockey

And if you've listened to everybody even slightly aware of the flyers in the past two years you'd know he's fairly overpaid.
- BulliesPhan87

But not because he isnt playing defensive minded hockey, he is considered overpaid because he isnt putting up 90 points a season.

And if you've listened to everybody even slightly aware of the flyers in the past two years you'd know he's fairly overpaid.
- BulliesPhan87

id completely disagree. in the 2 long playoff runs he has been our best player in the playoffs (at least offensively...you can argue pronger was best this past run). would i like him to have that same impact in the reg season? without a doubt. but he shows up in the playoffs, including the buffalo years as well. no one can question that. thats where he earns his $$. ill pay anyone 6.5 mil to produce like that in the playoffs on a consistent basis.

And if you've listened to everybody even slightly aware of the flyers in the past two years you'd know he's fairly overpaid, just like Drury and the others mentioned.

I'm not saying he's not worth a few million, but $6.5 mil per is extra for a one way forward.
- BulliesPhan87

If Briere was scoring at his Buffalo levels, he wouldn't be overpaid a bit.

People are racist.
- Flyskippy

Actually, my issue with Howard is that he still strikes out way too much and his most glaring issue as a hitter-i.e. facing lefthanders-has not seen enough of an improvement in the past few seasons.

If Briere was scoring at his Buffalo levels, he wouldn't be overpaid a bit.
- Jsaquella

Aside from his 95 point season there (not to write this season off, at the end of the day he still had a 95 point season), he had 65, 58, and 12 (injured) point seasons. In Philadelphia, he's had 72, 53, and 25 (injured) point seasons. Aside from the big one, he's scored about the same.

Again, not writing off the 95 point season. However, it is definitely the outlier. Just thought I'd share a bit of observation made while playing with his numbers in excel (it's the closest you get to fun in an office)

Actually, my issue with Howard is that he still strikes out way too much and his most glaring issue as a hitter-i.e. facing lefthanders-has not seen enough of an improvement in the past few seasons.
- Jsaquella

Werth actually leads the team at this point in striking out this year.

Aside from his 95 point season there (not to write this season off, at the end of the day he still had a 95 point season), he had 65, 58, and 12 (injured) point seasons. In Philadelphia, he's had 72, 53, and 25 (injured) point seasons. Aside from the big one, he's scored about the same.

Again, not writing off the 95 point season. However, it is definitely the outlier. Just thought I'd share a bit of observation made while playing with his numbers in excel (it's the closest you get to fun in an office)
- BulliesPhan87

Yeah, he has...hmmm, I thought he had better numbers than that in Buffalo...he certainly seemed to be a more effective player.

Werth actually leads the team at this point in striking out this year.
- ob18

Yes. BFD. As soon as Werth holds the single season strikeout record at some point in his career, we can debate this...

Yeah, he has...hmmm, I thought he had better numbers than that in Buffalo...he certainly seemed to be a more effective player.
- Jsaquella

There could be less obvious factors involved (playing through injuries? who knows). I need not say that sometimes a players effective qualities are not found on paper.

Either way, I still think Briere is abit overpayed. That being said, in light of his playoffs performance I'd call him a good problem to have.

That's a very hard question to answer. This team went to the Cup finals last ear, so how can you say he's not doing a good job. I beleive they nhave a very good team again this year. Is this team set up well for the future in draft picks, prospects and future Cap space. Absolutely not. So yes and no.
- MJL

I'm not looking for a debate but I am looking to make sure we're on the very same page. The trade for Pronger should be long over, am I right? The prospects area is still weak but the draft pick area should be ok now, shouldn't it? We did just give away a second and ended up with a fouth, but all in all, shouldn't we have picks again now that the 2010 draft is behind us?

I'm not looking for a debate but I am looking to make sure we're on the very same page. The trade for Pronger should be long over, am I right? The prospects area is still weak but the draft pick area should be ok now, shouldn't it? We did just give away a second and ended up with a fouth, but all in all, shouldn't we have picks again now that the 2010 draft is behind us?
- dingo8urbaby

I think the draft pick cubbard is still pretty bare!

Does anyone else get the feeling the Flyers are higher on Bob Backlund as a goalie in the NHL, then we as fans feel? My point is Backlund signed for two more years, when he could have gone to Europe and get a starting job. With Riopel and Bobby needing valuable AHL experience, it would make no sense for the Flyers to sign him to take up more time with the Phantoms.

It is very tough to evaluate how good Backund is considering how bad the Phantoms were and he got hurt in his only NHL game.

Actually, my issue with Howard is that he still strikes out way too much and his most glaring issue as a hitter-i.e. facing lefthanders-has not seen enough of an improvement in the past few seasons.
- Jsaquella

I'd love to see him bunt down the third base line when the shift is on.

Just once.

Does anyone else get the feeling the Flyers are higher on Bob Backlund as a goalie in the NHL, then we as fans feel? My point is Backlund signed for two more years, when he could have gone to Europe and get a starting job. With Riopel and Bobby needing valuable AHL experience, it would make no sense for the Flyers to sign him to take up more time with the Phantoms.

It is very tough to evaluate how good Backund is considering how bad the Phantoms were and he got hurt in his only NHL game.
- Troxell88

He was looking pretty good during that one game though.

I think the draft pick cubbard is still pretty bare!
- MJL

Here is what we have going forward.

http://www.prosportstrans...tTrades/Future/Flyers.htm