If by extending his career means playing in the AHL I think he could have done that without Markov.
- Guimania

Your finest hour.

Mtls PP was pretty good the last 2 seasons without Markov.
- trash

No doubt. But that's because of Spacek taking his place.

If by wash you mean it's not even close as to who the better powerplay player is between them, then sure...

Markov by a country mile.

Don't believe me?
Ask Souray, Streit, Schneider, Brisebois, Bergeron or any other player he's made rich or helped extend their career.

Then add Subban.
- EricEngels

agreed. Wiz doesn't make his teammates better like Markov does.

Homer? What does being a Homer have to do with anything?
You see, playing with Markov, made Streit a better player. Have you never heard of such a thing? Why is this a foreign concept for you?
- hscesq

I think when people talk about players making others better there's usually proof of that once the player moves on. With Streit that proof isn't there and he's doing just fine without Markov on far worse team. Unless of course your argument is that he coached him or taught him how to play the game better. If that's the case there's no way to argue your point.

Homer? What does being a Homer have to do with anything?
You see, playing with Markov, made Streit a better player. Have you never heard of such a thing? Why is this a foreign concept for you?
- hscesq

My question is how do you know this? We can you say this like it's the gospel?

Mtls PP was pretty good the last 2 seasons without Markov.
- trash

That's fine. With him, it's even better. Not to mention our 5 on 5 play will be better with him. I'd be willing to say, there may not be another breakout pass D-man better then Markov in the NHL. His first pass to get out of the zone is always on the money.

How come you never swear at him?
- weirdoh

My question is how do you know this? We can you say this like it's the gospel?
- stormey

It's "why" stupid.

I think when people talk about players making others better there's usually proof of that once the player moves on. With Streit that proof isn't there and he's doing just fine without Markov on far worse team. Unless of course your argument is that he coached him or taught him how to play the game better. If that's the case there's no way to argue your point.
- weirdoh

It's not that he coached him per se. Streit moved on, and what he learned from Markov made him a better player.

That's fine. With him, it's even better. Not to mention our 5 on 5 play will be better with him. I'd be willing to say, there may not be another breakout pass D-man better then Markov in the NHL. His first pass to get out of the zone is always on the money.
- Habsolute009

An argument, based on the stats the last couple of years, can be made that it was Kovalev.

That's fine. With him, it's even better. Not to mention our 5 on 5 play will be better with him. I'd be willing to say, there may not be another breakout pass D-man better then Markov in the NHL. His first pass to get out of the zone is always on the money.
- Habsolute009

I think you need to calm down.

Listen bud, you're so wrong this isn't even an argument, it's a lesson.

in the 20-odd games Schneider played with the Canadiens in their disastrous Centennial season, he was brought here purely to help the powerplay which suffered from the loss of Mark Streit's shot.

He had 15 points in 44 games with the Thrashers before coming to the Canadiens and scoring 17 points in 23 games. In a pairing with Markov, he scored 5 goals --all of them on the powerplay, and added 12 assists.

He was slated for retirement before he came to Montreal, coming off a 5+mil dollar contract.

In a conversation I had with him after the season, he said coming to Montreal bought him another season in the league, and he had Andrei Markov to thank for it.

I might even still have the audio in my old recorder.
- EricEngels

upload the audio

My question is how do you know this? We can you say this like it's the gospel?
- stormey

How do I know? I watched Streit when he started with the Habs, and then when he was done with them. It's an opinion based on observation.

upload the audio
- Crimsoninja

It's not that he coached him per se. Streit moved on, and what he learned from Markov made him a better player.
- hscesq

possibly, but we can't know this anymore than we know "effort" or "caring"

An argument, based on the stats the last couple of years, can be made that it was Kovalev.
- trash

That just made me laugh so hard. I despised that man throughout his tenure in MTL. I completely disagree as well.

Only when some over-zealous ref gets his panties in a bunch.
- stormey

There's no such thing 'round these parts.

upload the audio
- Crimsoninja

Freak thread - NOW!

Listen bud, you're so wrong this isn't even an argument, it's a lesson.

.
- EricEngels

Oh Snap!!!

That just made me laugh so hard. I despised that man throughout his tenure in MTL. I completely disagree as well.
- Habsolute009

And?

possibly, but we can't know this anymore than we know "effort" or "caring"
- trash

Of course.

That just made me laugh so hard. I despised that man throughout his tenure in MTL. I completely disagree as well.
- Habsolute009

I bet less than me. That being said, go look at Mtls PP efficency over the last few years.

Homer? What does being a Homer have to do with anything?
You see, playing with Markov, made Streit a better player. Have you never heard of such a thing? Why is this a foreign concept for you?
- hscesq

If Streit didn't have the talent to do it own his own without Markov, then he would have flopped on the Island.

Markov may have helped his development in his final year but it hardly defined his career.

Listen bud, you're so wrong this isn't even an argument, it's a lesson.

in the 20-odd games Schneider played with the Canadiens in their disastrous Centennial season, he was brought here purely to help the powerplay which suffered from the loss of Mark Streit's shot.

He had 15 points in 44 games with the Thrashers before coming to the Canadiens and scoring 17 points in 23 games. In a pairing with Markov, he scored 5 goals --all of them on the powerplay, and added 12 assists.

He was slated for retirement before he came to Montreal, coming off a 5+mil dollar contract.

In a conversation I had with him after the season, he said coming to Montreal bought him another season in the league, and he had Andrei Markov to thank for it.

I might even still have the audio in my old recorder.
- EricEngels

I'm guessing the conversation went something like this.

EE: Matt you had a great run when you came back to Montreal didn't you?
MS: Yes we really got on a roll there.
EE: What's it like playing with a great player like Markov?
MS: Well like you said he's a great player and is pleasure to play with.

My question is what did you expect him to say? Markov sucks and I did this all on my own? No.

possibly, but we can't know this anymore than we know "effort" or "caring"
- trash

Sure we can. As Hab fans we know from watching what Markov does to other players. Just because you don't watch what the man does on the ice personally doesn't mean we don't know. Markov healthy, playing a full season is 60 pts in the bank while helping young guys like Yemelin & Subban improve.