I guess someone, like yourself, who's more knowledgeable about the current leafs roster could point out a number of former first rounders acquired through trade or free agency, that are on the current roster.

I think Steckel was a first rounder for Washington??
- Doppleganger

Kessel, Lupul, Gardiner, Komisarek, Steckel, Connolly, Phaneuf, Armstrong.

Kadri with the Marlies right now.

I just don't think it's that relevant.

Kessel, Lupul, Gardiner, Komisarek, Steckel, Connolly, Phaneuf, Armstrong.

Kadri with the Marlies right now.

I just don't think it's that relevant.
- prock

Well it goes to show that teams that often trade their first round picks, can still acquire players who were high picks through other means.

Well it goes to show that teams that often trade their first round picks, can still acquire players who were high picks through other means.
- Doppleganger

I guess. Pretty soon after draft, where a player was drafted becomes quickly irrelevant too though.

Ottawa & toronto first rounders since Ottawa returned to the NHL.


1992
Ottawa Alexei Yashin
toronto Brandon Convery

1993
Ottawa Alexandre Daigle
toronto Kenny Jonsson

1994
Ottawa Radek Bonk
toronto Eric Fichaud

1995
Ottawa Bryan Berard
toronto Jeff Ware

1996
Ottawa Chris Phillips

1997
Ottawa Marian Hossa

1998
toronto Nikolai Antropov
Ottawa Mathieu Chouinard

1999
toronto Luca Cereda
Ottawa Martin Havlat

2000
Ottawa Anton Volchenkov
toronto Brad Boyes

2001
Ottawa Jason Spezza
toronto Carlo Colaiacovo
Ottawa Tim Gleason

2002
Ottawa Jakub Klepis
toronto Alexander Steen

2003
Ottawa Patrick Eaves

2004
Ottawa Andrej Meszaros

2005
Ottawa Brian Lee
toronto Tuukka Rask

2006
toronto Jiri Tlusty
Ottawa Nick Foligno

2007
Ottawa Jim O'Brien

2008
toronto Luke Schenn
Ottawa Erik Karlsson

2009
toronto Nazem Kadri
Ottawa Jared Cowen

2011
Ottawa Mika Zibanejad
Ottawa Stefan Noesen
toronto Tyler Biggs
Ottawa Matt Puempel

Players in bold currently on NHL roster (Sens or leafs)


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- Doppleganger

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I've seen.

Who cares who is still on the roster from 18 years ago?

I know one thing, leafs didn't get a #1 overall pick like you did.

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I've seen.

Who cares who is still on the roster from 18 years ago?

I know one thing, leafs didn't get a #1 overall pick like you did.
- mfreedman

apparently he wasn't trying to make a point. So, not that stupid.... Just.... useless, and accomplishing absolutely nothing. A waste of a post.

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I've seen.

Who cares who is still on the roster from 18 years ago?

I know one thing, leafs didn't get a #1 overall pick like you did.
- mfreedman

Dude, have a beer and relax. I know you're upset that Seguin buried three in the rout last Saturday, but its just one game, the leafs will get over it and so should you.

Life is short.

Dude, have a beer and relax. I know you're upset that Seguin buried three in the rout last Saturday, but its just one game, the leafs will get over it and so should you.

Life is short.
- Doppleganger

He scored another really nice first period goal tonight.

He scored another really nice first period goal tonight.
- spatso

I hear Dougie Hamilton was named OHL defenseman of the month.


http://bigbadblog.weei.co...-defenseman-of-the-month/

Also............

New England Hockey Journal has named Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL) defenseman Dougie Hamilton the Boston Bruins Prospect of the Month for October.

In 12 games, Hamilton scored 7 goals and added 13 helpers for 20 points, good enough to propel him into the top-10 for scoring in the OHL. In 14 games dating back to Sep. 29, Hamilton has 23 points for Niagara.

Boston’s first choice, 9th overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft last June, Hamilton was acquired via Toronto with the final draft pick in the Phil Kessel deal. The 6-foot-4, 193-pound defenseman was the second blueliner taken in the draft class, five spots behind Adam Larsson.

Hamilton is the son of two Canadian Olympians (Doug, Sr.- rowing, Lynn- basketball) and his older brother, Freddie, is a teammate on the Ice Dogs and San Jose Sharks prospect. The younger Hamilton’s academic achievements earned him Scholastic Player of the Year honors.

We will have a more in-depth feature on Hamilton on the New England Hockey Journal website, so be sure to look for it early next week.

I hear Dougie Hamilton was named OHL defenseman of the month.


http://bigbadblog.weei.co...-defenseman-of-the-month/

Also............

New England Hockey Journal has named Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL) defenseman Dougie Hamilton the Boston Bruins Prospect of the Month for October.

In 12 games, Hamilton scored 7 goals and added 13 helpers for 20 points, good enough to propel him into the top-10 for scoring in the OHL. In 14 games dating back to Sep. 29, Hamilton has 23 points for Niagara.

Boston’s first choice, 9th overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft last June, Hamilton was acquired via Toronto with the final draft pick in the Phil Kessel deal. The 6-foot-4, 193-pound defenseman was the second blueliner taken in the draft class, five spots behind Adam Larsson.

Hamilton is the son of two Canadian Olympians (Doug, Sr.- rowing, Lynn- basketball) and his older brother, Freddie, is a teammate on the Ice Dogs and San Jose Sharks prospect. The younger Hamilton’s academic achievements earned him Scholastic Player of the Year honors.

We will have a more in-depth feature on Hamilton on the New England Hockey Journal website, so be sure to look for it early next week.
- Doppleganger

I hear Kessel was named NHL player of the month. I hear Joe Colborne was named AHL player of the month. What team did the Leafs get them from?

I hear Kessel was named NHL player of the month. I hear Joe Colborne was named AHL player of the month. What team did the Leafs get them from?
- prock

Surely, you don't want to reopen the debate on the Kessel trade.

Surely, you don't want to reopen the debate on the Kessel trade.
- spatso

Dopps is the one bringing it up, in a very trollish move.

Surely, you don't want to reopen the debate on the Kessel trade.
- spatso

just some observations and a question. Like doppledouches posts.

Dude, have a beer and relax. I know you're upset that Seguin buried three in the rout last Saturday, but its just one game, the leafs will get over it and so should you.

Life is short.
- Doppleganger

And you try to argue you're not a troll

I hear Dougie Hamilton was named OHL defenseman of the month.


http://bigbadblog.weei.co...-defenseman-of-the-month/

Also............

New England Hockey Journal has named Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL) defenseman Dougie Hamilton the Boston Bruins Prospect of the Month for October.

In 12 games, Hamilton scored 7 goals and added 13 helpers for 20 points, good enough to propel him into the top-10 for scoring in the OHL. In 14 games dating back to Sep. 29, Hamilton has 23 points for Niagara.

Boston’s first choice, 9th overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft last June, Hamilton was acquired via Toronto with the final draft pick in the Phil Kessel deal. The 6-foot-4, 193-pound defenseman was the second blueliner taken in the draft class, five spots behind Adam Larsson.

Hamilton is the son of two Canadian Olympians (Doug, Sr.- rowing, Lynn- basketball) and his older brother, Freddie, is a teammate on the Ice Dogs and San Jose Sharks prospect. The younger Hamilton’s academic achievements earned him Scholastic Player of the Year honors.

We will have a more in-depth feature on Hamilton on the New England Hockey Journal website, so be sure to look for it early next week.
- Doppleganger

You are trying to throw an OHL defenceman of the month at us? We have the AHL leading scorer

You are trying to throw an OHL defenceman of the month at us? We have the AHL leading scorer
- mfreedman

Not a good point. Most AHL leading scoreres end up being career AHL players, not many are able to duplicate the actual scoring level at the NHL level.

I am biased when it comes to Hamilton. I believe Hamilton may grow into the top Dman taken in the last draft. People forget that Huberdeau, Strome and Hamilton are nearly a full year younger than some of the other players taken (Landeskog, Larsson, Couturier).

Not a good point. Most AHL leading scoreres end up being career AHL players, not many are able to duplicate the actual scoring level at the NHL level.

I am biased when it comes to Hamilton. I believe Hamilton may grow into the top Dman taken in the last draft. People forget that Huberdeau, Strome and Hamilton are nearly a full year younger than some of the other players taken (Landeskog, Larsson, Couturier).
- spatso

So AHL scoring leader means nothing, but AHL leading defensive scorer means superstar. Got it.

Not a good point. Most AHL leading scoreres end up being career AHL players, not many are able to duplicate the actual scoring level at the NHL level.

I am biased when it comes to Hamilton. I believe Hamilton may grow into the top Dman taken in the last draft. People forget that Huberdeau, Strome and Hamilton are nearly a full year younger than some of the other players taken (Landeskog, Larsson, Couturier).
- spatso

yea, the ones that are over 25.

Stop saying stupid things.

So AHL scoring leader means nothing, but OHL leading defensive scorer means superstar. Got it.
- mfreedman

So AHL scoring leader means nothing, but AHL leading defensive scorer means superstar. Got it.
- mfreedman

According to the charter members of the LTP, anything that happens in the AHL does NOT matter in any way shape or form, in relationship to the future or the NHL.

According to the charter members of the LTP, anything that happens in the AHL does NOT matter in any way shape or form, in relationship to the future or the NHL.
- Doppleganger

According to that member, you have lots of trouble understanding what people tell you.

They say that every year. That said, this year seems to be pretty loaded to me. There are a LOT of players I see when I look around, that are putting up big numbers at a younger age than normal. Some big ones this year..... Nathan Mackinnon next year.
- prock

sean monahan too. 3rd in OHL scoring, 2 points behind yakupov. 2013 draft eligible.

According to the charter members of the LTP, anything that happens in the AHL does NOT matter in any way shape or form, in relationship to the future or the NHL.
- Doppleganger

knew you were going to bring this up.

Your position was that an AHL team's success had tons to bear on its players' futures, and thus the NHL team's future. Not a terrible assertion in and of itself.

You ran in to some difficulty in my books when I suggested that team success didn't really have more to bear on a player's future than that player's individual achievement, and it fell on completely deaf ears.

Before you don't answer this, tell me I'm trying to prove things exclusively with stats, tell me to have a beer and relax, tell me to go get some sun, or change the subject completely, please consider not responding if it's not going to be constructive.

knew you were going to bring this up.

Your position was that an AHL team's success had tons to bear on its players' futures, and thus the NHL team's future. Not a terrible assertion in and of itself.

You ran in to some difficulty in my books when I suggested that team success didn't really have more to bear on a player's future than that player's individual achievement, and it fell on completely deaf ears.

Before you don't answer this, tell me I'm trying to prove things exclusively with stats, tell me to have a beer and relax, tell me to go get some sun, or change the subject completely, please consider not responding if it's not going to be constructive.
- Morris

he was talking about me, not considering 25/26 year olds doing well in the AHL as a sign of how awesome the team's future was.

What's funny is the same argument I used then with him and spazzy is the same one I can use now when spazz doesn't think Connolly doing well in the AHL is a good sign for his NHL future.

AGE. MATTERS.

he was talking about me, not considering 25/26 year olds doing well in the AHL as a sign of how awesome the team's future was.

What's funny is the same argument I used then with him and spazzy is the same one I can use now when spazz doesn't think Connolly doing well in the AHL is a good sign for his NHL future.

AGE. MATTERS.
- Schenn-Sational!

He was in that other thread last season when the Binghamton Senators were on their playoff run. Even when we suggested he look at production from young up and coming forwards, as opposed to a the whole team's success.

So AHL scoring leader means nothing, but AHL leading defensive scorer means superstar. Got it.
- mfreedman

Actually, I think you struggle to get it. I was simply disputing the original premise that assumed you could make a direct comparison between an AHL scorer and an OHL defender. The largest problem is that the AHL is notorious for swallowing great scorers who cannot duplicate the result in the NHL. But the larger problem of the attempted comparison is that Colborne is 42 months older than Hamilton.

So the issue for Colborne is whether he will ever make the NHL as a regular top six player. In the case of Hamilton, the horizon is far higher and the potential on his ceiling that suggests he may be a future superstar in the making.