Sorry your right ,i like colbourne just wanted in on the conversation jumped the gun a bit
- top shelf 15

Same, and glad he's in the A for a bit longer.. Also gives him and Kadri a chance to mesh, even though doesnt seem like it's happening

Same, and glad he's in the A for a bit longer.. Also gives him and Kadri a chance to mesh, even though doesnt seem like it's happening
- mfreedman

really? Kadri has 3a's in his last 3 games.

Same, and glad he's in the A for a bit longer.. Also gives him and Kadri a chance to mesh, even though doesnt seem like it's happening
- mfreedman

Kadri loves to have the puck so it doesnt surprise me really,he is gifted for sure.To me colbourne reminds me a little bit like weircoch,all though PW is behind Colbourne at the moment i still see a lot of potential with him

really? Kadri has 3a's in his last 3 games.
- Schenn-Sational!

Really? I was misinformed... Last time I don't check the stats for myself

Kadri loves to have the puck so it doesnt surprise me really,he is gifted for sure.To me colbourne reminds me a little bit like weircoch,all though PW is behind Colbourne at the moment i still see a lot of potential with him
- top shelf 15

He's a lower tiered prospect, through and through.

I don't know your position on any given topic, but as I recall you talked at length about this particular one. If I wanted to, I could have pored over that 100 page topic, but I didn't. So I'm sorry for whatever arrogance may have stemmed from going from my memory of what you discussed at length there.

I think you may have misunderstood me and/or I misunderstood you. I really value team success for developing players. It's important for them to develop the psyche and work ethic that playoff hockey stimulates. If all you were saying was that being in the playoffs is great for their development versus not being in the playoffs, then I totally agree.

What I thought you were saying is that a farm team's success is evidence that their NHL affiliate has a better future or up and coming talent that a less successful farm team's NHL affiliate. I don't agree with this statement very much. In fact, team success as far as what it has to bear on the NHL team's future so much pales in comparison to - for example - individual AHL achievement that if we're discussing the depth of a team's prospects, their farm team's standings are practically irrelevant.

I.E. Binghamton Senators going deep in the playoffs is great for their young prospects versus them not going to the playoffs, but their team success has little to bear on a discussion of whether the Ottawa Senators have a better future then the Maple Leafs, the Oilers or the Blackhawks. A more productive body of evidence would be the successes of individual players from each team's prospect pool.
- Morris

What I stated was that Binghamton's success in winning the Calder cup, with a lot of prospects contributing to it, was a great indication that the Senators were going to benefit positively from it much more than a group of prospects, on another AHL team that failed to make the playoffs, would their NHL team.

I also pointed out that Montreal has benefited by having a young goaltender lead his team to a Calder Cup victory as well.

The LTP can try to put words in my mouth all they want, but it only goes to show their jealousy over the fact that something went well to the Senators Organization last season, and also had one of the best Entry Drafts this past spring as well.

this drive them crazy, as they thought that at long last the Senators would sink down in the standing and remain there for a few seasons at the least before they saw any improvement at the NHL level.

The LTP are simply obsessed with the Senators, and their success since the two teams became divisional rivals.
Just watch how they pile on after this posting.............they can't help it, they're like lemmings, one goes an the other follow.

He's a lower tiered prospect, through and through.
- prock

I agree,but if PW can ever put some weight on and play a little more physical i think ottawa has something in him

I agree,but if PW can ever put some weight on and play a little more physical i think ottawa has something in him
- top shelf 15

he's picked up his offense this season. but he definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs to play in the nhl. i don't think he amounts to much more than 5-6dman who can play 2nd unit PP mins.

he's picked up his offense this season. but he definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs to play in the nhl. i don't think he amounts to much more than 5-6dman who can play 2nd unit PP mins.
- sens rock

More than likely,but he also has pretty good skill,skating and vision.If he can develop those other two tools ,we would be talking about a 6.5 defender that has pretty much the 5 elements that most great defensemen possess.To say the least he is an interesting player to watch

I agree,but if PW can ever put some weight on and play a little more physical i think ottawa has something in him
- top shelf 15

I'm also hoping Mark Borowiecki can make the team in the next couple of years.

I'm also hoping Mark Borowiecki can make the team in the next couple of years.
- Doppleganger

The coach loves him,i think we see him this year at least for a few games .He would bring some much needed bite on the backend

The coach loves him,i think we see him this year at least for a few games .He would bring some much needed bite on the backend
- top shelf 15

Could happen as there are two impending UFAs currently on the Senators Blueline.

Both Carkner and Kuba could attract some attention at the trade Deadline and depending how both Wiercioch & Borowiecki are playing they could have a "preview" stint at the end of the season if the Senators are not challenging for a playoff spot, as I believe they will not be.

What I stated was that Binghamton's success in winning the Calder cup, with a lot of prospects contributing to it, was a great indication that the Senators were going to benefit positively from it much more than a group of prospects, on another AHL team that failed to make the playoffs, would their NHL team.

I also pointed out that Montreal has benefited by having a young goaltender lead his team to a Calder Cup victory as well.

The LTP can try to put words in my mouth all they want, but it only goes to show their jealousy over the fact that something went well to the Senators Organization last season, and also had one of the best Entry Drafts this past spring as well.

this drive them crazy, as they thought that at long last the Senators would sink down in the standing and remain there for a few seasons at the least before they saw any improvement at the NHL level.

The LTP are simply obsessed with the Senators, and their success since the two teams became divisional rivals.
Just watch how they pile on after this posting.............they can't help it, they're like lemmings, one goes an the other follow.
- Doppleganger

Seems pretty damn clear to me what you were saying.....

Actions speak louder than words. marlies failed to make playoffs, Binghanton Senators one win away from Calder Cup.

logic dictates which prospect pool is inferior. But leaf fans like yourself disregard logic, common sense and the facts.

BOO HOO, keep posting weakling
- Doppleganger

Seems pretty damn clear to me what you were saying.....
- prock

Another direct quote.

Your childish and trollish attempt to mock the prospects on the Binghamton Senators, by starting yet another troll thread, that you are so well known for is laughable............clearly anyone with a modicum of hockey knowledge know that both the Senators and the Wild's AHL affiliates is a direct reflection on each organizations prospects.

BOO HOO
- Doppleganger

More.....

You seem to be all over it. You must be interested in the Sens AHL prospects who are STILL playing................perhaps you're worried because the leaf AHLers have been playing golf for over a month now.

That seems to indicate the leafs have lost ground, in the prospect department over the past few years, due to poor drafting, surrendering high draft picks ect.

So I guess you're in damage control, and trying to convince someone other than yourself that the Sens Prospects (playing tonight on Rogers SportsNet One) are not as good as Tyler Seg...................errrrrrrr, um, whomever!!!
- Doppleganger

Even more

Yes your "logic" is better..........AHL teams (like the marlies) who fail to make the playoffs have a far better pool of prospects on them.


- Doppleganger

Could happen as there are two impending UFAs currently on the Senators Blueline.

Both Carkner and Kuba could attract some attention at the trade Deadline and depending how both Wiercioch & Borowiecki are playing they could have a "preview" stint at the end of the season if the Senators are not challenging for a playoff spot, as I believe they will not be.
- Doppleganger

I think PW is in the ahl for the year, Boro reminds me a little of sherrif shane knidy but with a little more potential .He has a ton of heart and will go with anyone .He has worked his ass off and its getting him noticed

More

Your logic is that because the leafs had five more wins (last season) than the Senators therefore the leafs, their talent pool, their prospects, the hot dogs at the ACC are all better than anything connected with the Senators.


I tend to disagree. As far as the two NHL teams go, they were pretty much even last season, and if the Senators had NHL goaltending from the beginning of the season, perhaps they would have had a few more wins than the leafs.

However, there is no disputing that Ottawa has the better AHL team, and therefore the "prospects" in the Ottawa system are doing better than the leafs "prospects" at the AHL level. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.

All that being said, between now and the beginning of the next season could see a lot of changes on both clubs. The Senators should draft a good prospect at the sixth position............or could make some trades, as could the leafs. Then there is the UFA season, and either team could make significant moves.

But as of right now, only the Senators have players in their system who are still playing meaningful hockey games, while the leafs do not. So to argue that leafs prospects are better than the prospects in the Ottawa system just does not hold any water outside of the GTA.
- Doppleganger

Seems to be inferring that the Binghamton Sens performance is directly related to the strength of their prospect pool to me.

And Dopple had the nerve to call me arrogant for stating his opinion exactly as he stated it over and over in those posts

More

I would suggest that the Senators AHL team is a reflection on who may have a better group of prospects (at all positions) if you are comparing the two teams in Ontario.

In addition to David Rundblad & Jared Cowen, goaltender Robin Lehner is a top prospect that personally I would not swap for any goaltender in entire leaf organization.

As far a depth, these players/prospects
Patrick Wiercioch
Zack Smith
Bobby Butler
Erik Condra
Eric Gryba
Colin Greening
Mark Stone (still in Junior)
are as good as any of the teams in the northeast division, and after the draft, with two picks in the first round and a few more in the second, the farm system for the Senators will be in good shape for the next decade.

In case you want further info on the Senators AHL team I suggest you follow this link.
http://www.ottawasun.com/...ff-run-lifts-organization
- Doppleganger

And Dopple had the nerve to call me arrogant for stating his opinion exactly as he stated it over and over in those posts
- Morris

I suppose I've made my point?

I suppose I've made my point?
- prock

More



Seems to be inferring that the Binghamton Sens performance is directly related to the strength of their prospect pool to me.
- prock

Better prospects, better team, team makes playoffs.

Crappy prospects, crappy team, team does not make playoffs.

Better prospects, better team, team makes playoffs.

Crappy prospects, crappy team, team does not make playoffs.
- Doppleganger

Are you schitzophrenic?

I suppose I've made my point?
- prock

You've said in the past that there is "correlation" between how prospects play in the Junior leagues, and how much faster they will develop on "stronger" teams.

There is 100% a correlation between production in juniors and production in the NHL. It's not perfect, as some players develop a little faster than others, play on stronger teams (stacked Knights squads), etc, but more often than not, it holds pretty close when you look at guys in the same draft year
- prock

But you seem to be stating the opposite when these same prospects have success at the AHL level.

So let me get this straight........success (production) at the Junior level correlates to accelerated success (production) in the NHL.................BUT not so much when these same players spend time in the AHL, or for heaven's sake, when they have a 23 game playoff experience and facing elimination numerous times along the way, but with perseverance come out winners at the end of the day.



It's as if you see absolutely no benefit at all to a prospect, and organization and ultimately the parent club by spending time in the AHL, and especially not if they win the Calder Cup.