Again you are saying what you want to believe. There is nothing wrong with believing what you want but when you do you give up any reasonable ground of objectivity. You will have to live with your assertion that the kid can't play D. We will know in time.
- spatso

I watched the entire game, and agree that Karlsson had OVs number all night 5 on 5. Sure OV got his fair share of shots on the PP, but he was held pointless and Karlsson who played between 27 and 28 Minutes had a lot to do with it.

Ottawa was the best team on the ice for two periods, but could not solve Volkoun who stole the game for the Caps.

But after the great game in Washington they came home and crapped the bed...................it's going to be a long season if this keeps up.

I think Ovechkin's off season training consists of eating at McDonald's and drinking beer and it's showing. He should hang out with Byfuglien so he can add boating to his resume.

He got 7 shots on net that night.... His season high. 3 with Karlsson on the ice. Which, ALONE, would have been his season high.

Something tells me he may have managed to get by the blueline a couple of times.

I guess it was hard to see through those Sens goggles.
- prock

Ouch!!!

You cannot move from the specific to the general as a rhetorical strategy. It is fine to be general or to be specific but you cannot mix them other than as a statement of compliance or surrender. I am assuming you have arrived at the point where you have lost connection with the point you were trying to make.
- spatso

My point is very clear, Karl wasnt shutting down OV, OV has been shutting himself down.

Prock's point that OV had more shots while Karlsson was on the ice than he's had in any other game of the season just makes your argument even funnier.

He got 7 shots on net that night.... His season high. 3 with Karlsson on the ice. Which, ALONE, would have been his season high.

Something tells me he may have managed to get by the blueline a couple of times.

I guess it was hard to see through those Sens goggles.
- prock

where do you get these stats?

where do you get these stats?
- sens rock

NHL.com has the play-by-play available

where do you get these stats?
- sens rock

http://scores.espn.go.com...gamecast?gameId=400047048

That'll even show you where the shots came from.

NHL.com has the play-by-play available
- Schenn-Sational!

Is that new? First time I've seen that. The "Ice Tracker" even better than the ESPN thing.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ic...tracker.htm?id=2011020054

Amazing lol.

NHL.com has the play-by-play available
- Schenn-Sational!

http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20112012/PL020054.HTM

Didn't actually look at the numbers myself, but it's all there.

Is that new? First time I've seen that. The "Ice Tracker" even better than the ESPN thing.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ic...tracker.htm?id=2011020054

Amazing lol.
- daeth

the shot charts are relatively new to nhl.com. ESPN has had them for a while.

the rest has been on nhl.com for ages.

with the resources available these days you just can't make retarded statements like Karlsson wouldn't let OV past the blueline.

schenn is getting crapped on by everyone... yet hes still hitting everything in sight

komi is (frank)ing useless

schenn is getting crapped on by everyone... yet hes still hitting everything in sight

komi is (frank)ing useless
- nightmare3020

He had a nice hit that ended up putting him out of position almost resulting in a goal, but Komi has still been physical enough so far this year. This is his worst game of the year but other than the 1st line you could say that about everyone on the team right now.

He had a nice hit that ended up putting him out of position almost resulting in a goal, but Komi has still been physical enough so far this year. This is his worst game of the year but other than the 1st line you could say that about everyone on the team right now.
- daeth

If the Leafs were smart, they would sit Komi and give MacArthur the night off against the Bruins. I like Frattin on the Grabovski line and maybe some time on the bench or the 4th line, will give MacArthur a wakeup call. On Komiserek, let him sit and let Franson play on the right side, with Gardiner on the other side.

I watched the entire game, as agree that Karlsson had OVs number all night 5 on 5. Sure OV got his fair share of shots on the PP, but he was held pointless and Karlsson who played between 27 and 28 Minutes had a lot to do with it.

Ottawa was the best team on the ice for two periods, but could not solve Volkoun who stole the game for the Caps.

But after the great game in Washington they came home and crapped the bed...................it's going to be a long season if this keeps up.
- Doppleganger

Ovy had one shot on the PP. The Other six were even strength (3 when Karlsson was on the ice). In fact, when Karlsson was on the ice Ovy shot at only a slightly lower pace than when he was against the sens PK.

I watched the entire game, as agree that Karlsson had OVs number all night 5 on 5. Sure OV got his fair share of shots on the PP, but he was held pointless and Karlsson who played between 27 and 28 Minutes had a lot to do with it.

Ottawa was the best team on the ice for two periods, but could not solve Volkoun who stole the game for the Caps.

But after the great game in Washington they came home and crapped the bed...................it's going to be a long season if this keeps up.
- Doppleganger

OV just hasn't been putting puck in net lately. Karlsson had very little to do with him being kept off the scoresheet.

This is an incredibly disjointed presentation of issues. Did you really mean to imply that somehow the Senators took Filatov at #6 in the draft? The Senators actually took Karlsson as their first round pick. As of this morning Karlsson leads the Senators in scoring and is second in the league. Not bad for a 20 year old kid.
- spatso

Not really hating on the sens, moreover, alot of people crucified the leafs for taking Schenn over Filatov, who has done nothing since being drafted

Not really hating on the sens, moreover, alot of people crucified the leafs for taking Schenn over Filatov, who has done nothing since being drafted
- FirstClass

Schenn only played 11:54 last night. Not sure what you are trying to prove with this thread. Is it your intention to expose and humiliate the kid? He is going through a tough stretch, he got a big contract, he is under a microscope. He will be fine in time.

OV just hasn't been putting puck in net lately. Karlsson had very little to do with him being kept off the scoresheet.
- Schenn-Sational!

You clearly did not see the game nor hear the commentary. The commentators that I have heard on the matter (Greg Milne, Gary Galley) have both made the same point. Karlsson was extremely effective in turning Ovechkin inward at the blueline or keeping him wide and forcing him to shoot from the perimiter. This was not a casual comment by me but something that was repeated by color commentators. One (Milne) repeatedly made the comment during the game, the other (Galley) made the same comment during a radio interview the next day.

Ovechkin was -1 on the game, he was ineffectual most of the night and, as painful as it may be for some of you to accknowledge the reality, it was Karllson who was primarily responsible for shutting him down during this particular game.

The only reason that this matter is even being discussed is because this thread implicitly suggested that the Leafs took Schenn at #5 and the Senators took Filatov at #6 and the play of Filatov suggests that the Leafs should be vindicated for their choice (go back and read the original post).

Not sure if the original post is intending to shame Schenn during this current period of his struggles. Clearly it was just a matter of time before it was pointed out that the Senators actual pick was in Karlsson (not Filatov). So, we end up in an unproductive discussion comparing Schenn with Karlsson, Myers and all the other great young kids taken after Schenn.

All things considered Schenn is a good kid and he will have a long and productive NHL career. But for some reason Leaf fans tend to glorify their young players prematurely than destroy them as soon as they falter. Give the kid a break.

You clearly did not see the game nor hear the commentary. The commentators that I have heard on the matter (Greg Milne, Gary Galley) have both made the same point. Karlsson was extremely effective in turning Ovechkin inward at the blueline or keeping him wide and forcing him to shoot from the perimiter. This was not a casual comment by me but something that was repeated by color commentators. One (Milne) repeatedly made the comment during the game, the other (Galley) made the same comment during a radio interview the next day.

Ovechkin was -1 on the game, he was ineffectual most of the night and, as painful as it may be for some of you to accknowledge the reality, it was Karllson who was primarily responsible for shutting him down during this particular game.

The only reason that this matter is even being discussed is because this thread implicitly suggested that the Leafs took Schenn at #5 and the Senators took Filatov at #6 and the play of Filatov suggests that the Leafs should be vindicated for their choice (go back and read the original post).

Not sure if the original post is intending to shame Schenn during this current period of his struggles. Clearly it was just a matter of time before it was pointed out that the Senators actual pick was in Karlsson (not Filatov). So, we end up in an unproductive discussion comparing Schenn with Karlsson, Myers and all the other great young kids taken after Schenn.

All things considered Schenn is a good kid and he will have a long and productive NHL career. But for some reason Leaf fans tend to glorify their young players prematurely than destroy them as soon as they falter. Give the kid a break.
- spatso

He's been ineffectual all bloody season, what don't you understand?


The thread does not suggest the Sens took Filatov 6th, this has next to nothing to do with the Sens, hell, the OP is a very well known Leaf hater, he's just giving credit where credit is due... Leafs took criticism for taking Schenn over Filatov... however, Schenn has since shown he can play in the NHL, and be very effective- actually shutting down guys like Ovechkin, not just happenning to be on the ice while he's in a cold streak- while Filatov has shown that his set of skills only really present themselves when the game is slowed down for him.


And seriously, you're using in-game commentators to back up your point?

OV just hasn't been putting puck in net lately. Karlsson had very little to do with him being kept off the scoresheet.
- Schenn-Sational!

You obviously did not watch the the game, I did. Otherwise you would have seem Karlsson stop OV at the Sens blueline time and time again, stripping him of the puck and starting a counter attach, leaving OV circling in the Sens zone and trying to join the back check.

He's been ineffectual all bloody season, what don't you understand?


The thread does not suggest the Sens took Filatov 6th, this has next to nothing to do with the Sens, hell, the OP is a very well known Leaf hater, he's just giving credit where credit is due... Leafs took criticism for taking Schenn over Filatov... however, Schenn has since shown he can play in the NHL, and be very effective- actually shutting down guys like Ovechkin, not just happenning to be on the ice while he's in a cold streak- while Filatov has shown that his set of skills only really present themselves when the game is slowed down for him.


And seriously, you're using in-game commentators to back up your point?
- Schenn-Sational!

The use of witnesses is a fairly common practice. In this case it is particularly appropriate since several people on this site want to pass judgment without having seen the game. The earlier comments that Karlsson may have just done what other Dmen have done to Ovechkin in the early season may be entirely valid. But, the point remains. He did, in fact, do it.

I really like Schenn and think he is going to be one of the top shut down Dmen in the league. Right now he is going through a rough patch and I am not sure why people can't cut him some slack. I think he is getting too much scrutiny based on his new contract. I think in the case of Karlsson we are witnessing the breakout of a really talented top end talent. Don't understand why people rush to slag the kids. If you love this game there is nothing more exciting than watching the raw talent begin to show from the young guys who are only a few years into their careers.

And seriously, you're using in-game commentators to back up your point?
- Schenn-Sational!

they saw the entire game, you did not.

You obviously did not watch the the game, I did. Otherwise you would have seem Karlsson stop OV at the Sens blueline time and time again, stripping him of the puck and starting a counter attach, leaving OV circling in the Sens zone and trying to join the back check.
- Doppleganger

I am not sure what causes people to want to knock the young guys. I don't mind comparing young guys in terms of talent when trades or deals are involved but it does not make sense not to give the kid a chance. Breaking into this league involves learning their trade and they will have some good days and some days where they struggle.

On the other hand, when you put too high an expectation on a kid, you set him up to fail. Perhaps that is more a problem of Canadian fans who are able to follow the careers of kids at the junior level and think they should be able to jump to the NHL level and continue at the same level of performance.

You obviously did not watch the the game, I did. Otherwise you would have seem Karlsson stop OV at the Sens blueline time and time again, stripping him of the puck and starting a counter attach, leaving OV circling in the Sens zone and trying to join the back check.
- Doppleganger

Karlsson w. 2 takeaways- 1 in the offensive zone, neither while OV was on the ice.

You obviously did not watch the the game, I did. Otherwise you would have seem Karlsson stop OV at the Sens blueline time and time again, stripping him of the puck and starting a counter attach, leaving OV circling in the Sens zone and trying to join the back check.
- Doppleganger

It's just so very strange that, the game scorers saw things so differently than Sens fans, and credited Karlsson with only 2 takeaways the entire game. One of them while Ovechkin wasn't even on the ice. So, it seems to be that those that are paid to maintain scoresheets, and that for a living, seem to have missed Karlsson repeatedly stripping Ovechkin of the puck, as Sens fans seem to have seen it.