What is the difference between a full carton of eggs, and one that is missing a few eggs?
- Doppleganger

Well thats a dumb analogy.

What's incorrect about a full carton of eggs?

Ok, not that it will settle this debate, but hopefully provide insight for both partied involved.

A person who watched a game gets a better idea of what happened than someone who only looks at the stats. The reason being that certain stats can be misleading, for example. A team that records 50 shots to another team that records 20. The team with 50 could have all shots taken from the perimeter, or non-scoring areas, while the 20 were all breakaways. Again, this can lead to the stats not reperesenting the whole picture.

That said, a person viewing a game that is bias for a particular team will not provide an acurate representation. Yes they will have a better view of what was going on in the game, but a lot of the time they only see what they want to.

The best way to represent what happened is a mixture of seeing the game itself, and using the stats to back-up your point.

Unfortunately Dopple, you have failed to do so. You are very opinionated, but lack the ability to strengthen your points through sound reasoning. I think this is the reason why you get into so many heated debates with others on this site.

You state 'Karlsson kept OV from getting shots all night', however it has already been pointed out that it was not the case. You now have the burdern of proof. Stating 'Well I saw it differently than the stats reflect' is not an argument of any kind. That just leads people to believe that you didn't see the real picture. There were so many things you could have stated:

1. "OV may have had a ton of shots, but they were all from terrible angles because Karlsson didn't let him get any quality chances'
2. "Whenever OV broke in on Karlsson's side, he was stopped, but he quickly learned to head the other direction. Karlsson did not have an opportunity to stop him"
3. "The offence was so terrible that the Caps were in Ottawa's zone all game.. The 7 shots that OV shoudl have been far more were it not for Karlsson"

etc...

If you learn to address the point of the argument, you would have far less people 'target' you in your responses. Just my 2 cents.
- mfreedman

Well now you are putting words in my mouth, when you say "You state 'Karlsson kept OV from getting shots all night".........well I did not state that at all (See quoted post below)

There is no argument, those of us who saw the game, know what we saw.

What would the logic be in making up things that could be so easily discounted by anyone else who watched the game?

As far as being targeted, I could care less, because it's only those who belong to the leaf troll patrol whose job it is to slam everything positive about the Senators and their fans, as in their twisted minds they think this somehow makes their team look good.

Ever notice any Senator or Hab fans doing this in this forum? It seems the leaf troll patrol are obsessed with a Divisional rival that has been the better of the two Ontario based teams since they've become divisional rivals.

I watched the entire game, and agree that Karlsson had OVs number all night 5 on 5. Sure OV got his fair share of shots on the PP, but he was held pointless and Karlsson who played between 27 and 28 Minutes had a lot to do with it.

Ottawa was the best team on the ice for two periods, but could not solve Volkoun who stole the game for the Caps.

But after the great game in Washington they came home and crapped the bed...................it's going to be a long season if this keeps up.
- Doppleganger

And my observations were backed up by a leaf fan who also watched the game

You clearly did not see the game nor hear the commentary. The commentators that I have heard on the matter (Greg Milne, Gary Galley) have both made the same point. Karlsson was extremely effective in turning Ovechkin inward at the blueline or keeping him wide and forcing him to shoot from the perimiter. This was not a casual comment by me but something that was repeated by color commentators. One (Milne) repeatedly made the comment during the game, the other (Galley) made the same comment during a radio interview the next day.

Ovechkin was -1 on the game, he was ineffectual most of the night and, as painful as it may be for some of you to accknowledge the reality, it was Karllson who was primarily responsible for shutting him down during this particular game.

The only reason that this matter is even being discussed is because this thread implicitly suggested that the Leafs took Schenn at #5 and the Senators took Filatov at #6 and the play of Filatov suggests that the Leafs should be vindicated for their choice (go back and read the original post).

Not sure if the original post is intending to shame Schenn during this current period of his struggles. Clearly it was just a matter of time before it was pointed out that the Senators actual pick was in Karlsson (not Filatov). So, we end up in an unproductive discussion comparing Schenn with Karlsson, Myers and all the other great young kids taken after Schenn.

All things considered Schenn is a good kid and he will have a long and productive NHL career. But for some reason Leaf fans tend to glorify their young players prematurely than destroy them as soon as they falter. Give the kid a break.
- spatso

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Well thats a dumb analogy.

What's incorrect about a full carton of eggs?
- Schenn-Sational!

What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?

What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?
- Doppleganger

That it has the incorrect number of eggs.

You missed the point though(again)...

He asked what the difference between an incomplete set of stats and an incorrect set of stats was, and you came back with a full carton of eggs vs an incomplete carton of eggs, equating a full carton of eggs to an incorrect set of stats.

So answer the question, what is incorrect about a full carton of eggs?

That it has the incorrect number of eggs.

You missed the point though(again)...

He asked what the difference between an incomplete set of stats and an incorrect set of stats was, and you came back with a full carton of eggs vs an incomplete carton of eggs, equating a full carton of eggs to an incorrect set of stats.

So answer the question, what is incorrect about a full carton of eggs?
- Schenn-Sational!

Well, I suppose if someone sold you a dozen......

That it has the incorrect number of eggs.

You missed the point though(again)...

He asked what the difference between an incomplete set of stats and an incorrect set of stats was, and you came back with a full carton of eggs vs an incomplete carton of eggs, equating a full carton of eggs to an incorrect set of stats.

So answer the question, what is incorrect about a full carton of eggs?
- Schenn-Sational!

No, you are equating a full carton of eggs to an incorrect set of stats

So you answer the question.

What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?

No, you are equating a full carton of eggs to an incorrect set of stats

So you answer the question.

What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?
- Doppleganger

I already did, and your analogy, in response to the previous statement does equate one to the other.

If not, care to explain the point you were trying(failing) to make?

I already did, and your analogy, in response to the previous statement does equate one to the other.

If not, care to explain the point you were trying(failing) to make?
- Schenn-Sational!

You did not answer the question........What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?

You did not answer the question........What's incorrect about a carton with a few missing eggs?
- Doppleganger

I did, you apparently cannot read.

And you still havent answered any questions. Given your track record, this is probably a wise choice.

I did, you apparently cannot read.
- Schenn-Sational!

What is your answer?

What is your answer?
- Doppleganger

If you cannot read, why should I bother reposting?

It's on this page, and not hard to find.

If you cannot read, why should I bother reposting?

It's on this page, and not hard to find.
- Schenn-Sational!

How do you know that the Stats you read (ott vs Was) was a full carton of eggs???

Well now you are putting words in my mouth, when you say "You state 'Karlsson kept OV from getting shots all night".........well I did not state that at all (See quoted post below)

There is no argument, those of us who saw the game, know what we saw.

What would the logic be in making up things that could be so easily discounted by anyone else who watched the game?

As far as being targeted, I could care less, because it's only those who belong to the leaf troll patrol whose job it is to slam everything positive about the Senators and their fans, as in their twisted minds they think this somehow makes their team look good.

Ever notice any Senator or Hab fans doing this in this forum? It seems the leaf troll patrol are obsessed with a Divisional rival that has been the better of the two Ontario based teams since they've become divisional rivals.





And my observations were backed up by a leaf fan who also watched the game


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- Doppleganger

Yes, You

I never try to 'target' the Sens

The only time I brought up negativity towards the team was when people kept trying to say they would finish ahead of the leafs this year. I think many Sens fans were ignoring facts when it came to how good their team was. Now that the season has started you get a better sense. Sure you are not in dead last, but you are close.

This is the reality of where a team with little NHL talent up front (at the moment), and on the blue-line (far too little experience) are going to end up.

This is not targetting, this is based on history. Edmonton has had a ton of talent for the last 2 seasons, but still have not come out of the basement because of a lack of experience for their talented players.

The same fate awaits Ottawa, and the ironic part is, if you want to experience the full rebuild, you want to finish in last, which it seems like most sens fans want OTT to try and avoid.

I like the potential in OTT for the future, but you need to stop arguing the way you do against other fans. The fact is that your team will be terrible for the net 2-3 years. There is nothing wrong with this, except for when you start trying to trash other teams.

Yes, You

I never try to 'target' the Sens

The only time I brought up negativity towards the team was when people kept trying to say they would finish ahead of the leafs this year. I think many Sens fans were ignoring facts when it came to how good their team was. Now that the season has started you get a better sense. Sure you are not in dead last, but you are close.

This is the reality of where a team with little NHL talent up front (at the moment), and on the blue-line (far too little experience) are going to end up.

This is not targetting, this is based on history. Edmonton has had a ton of talent for the last 2 seasons, but still have not come out of the basement because of a lack of experience for their talented players.

The same fate awaits Ottawa, and the ironic part is, if you want to experience the full rebuild, you want to finish in last, which it seems like most sens fans want OTT to try and avoid.

I like the potential in OTT for the future, but you need to stop arguing the way you do against other fans. The fact is that your team will be terrible for the net 2-3 years. There is nothing wrong with this, except for when you start trying to trash other teams.
- mfreedman

Show me an example

How do you know that the Stats you read (ott vs Was) was a full carton of eggs???
- Doppleganger

So, you're not gonna answer his question, eh?

Yes, You

I never try to 'target' the Sens

The only time I brought up negativity towards the team was when people kept trying to say they would finish ahead of the leafs this year. I think many Sens fans were ignoring facts when it came to how good their team was. Now that the season has started you get a better sense. Sure you are not in dead last, but you are close.

This is the reality of where a team with little NHL talent up front (at the moment), and on the blue-line (far too little experience) are going to end up.

This is not targetting, this is based on history. Edmonton has had a ton of talent for the last 2 seasons, but still have not come out of the basement because of a lack of experience for their talented players.

The same fate awaits Ottawa, and the ironic part is, if you want to experience the full rebuild, you want to finish in last, which it seems like most sens fans want OTT to try and avoid.

I like the potential in OTT for the future, but you need to stop arguing the way you do against other fans. The fact is that your team will be terrible for the net 2-3 years. There is nothing wrong with this, except for when you start trying to trash other teams.
- mfreedman

Remember when you said all I do is call those who disagreed with me trolls, and I said you had to get to know those guys?

Starting to see my point?

So, you're not gonna answer his question, eh?
- Schenn-Sational!

I thought that would stop you in your tracks.


I'll ask you again.........How do you know that the Stats you read (ott vs Was) was a full carton of eggs???

Did you assume the stats package you read gave you 100% of everything that happened in the game?

I thought that would stop you in your tracks.


I'll ask you again.........How do you know that the Stats you read (ott vs Was) was a full carton of eggs???

Did you assume the stats package you read gave you 100% of everything that happened in the game?
- Doppleganger

It's amazing that you refuse to answer other people's questions, and yet take it as a sign of victory when someone doesnt answer yours.

But ok, I'll play along, assuming the set of stats weren't complete, what are the chances that an event that, according to you, happened over and over and over during the game wouldn't be recorded even once?

How many times would you say Karlsson took the puck away from OV vs Washington?

It's amazing that you refuse to answer other people's questions, and yet take it as a sign of victory when someone doesnt answer yours.

But ok, I'll play along, assuming the set of stats weren't complete, what are the chances that an event that, according to you, happened over and over and over during the game wouldn't be recorded even once?

How many times would you say Karlsson took the puck away from OV vs Washington?
- Schenn-Sational!

I saw it at least two or three times, as did those who also watched the game.

The one that stood out, and was replayed at the time, was when Karlsson was forcing a charging OV to the out side, and he tried to put the puck between his legs, Karlsson caught the puck by closing up his feet, kicked it up to his stick and away he went.

Show me an example
- Doppleganger

Quotes by Dopple:

Quote
Dopple Response

1. Q - "on paper, the leafs defence looks really good"
1. DR - "And the old joke goes...........to bad they play the games on ice!!! "

2. "The leafs have not made the playoffs since spring 2004, if they fail to make it this coming spring, that will be 8 years, going on 9...............at what point does it become "way to damn long"?"

3. "So now that Myers has been signed long term extension for an average $5,5 MILLION per season (highest Dman on Roster once extension kicks in), I suspect that if, as you suggest, Schenn is better than Myers, surely he'll be signed to a much more lucrative contract (extension) right?"

Took 2 mins of searching in a single thread

You can say that you didnt technically trash the team, what you state implies that you are trying to bring down said teams

You obviously did not watch the the game, I did. Otherwise you would have seem Karlsson stop OV at the Sens blueline time and time again, stripping him of the puck and starting a counter attach, leaving OV circling in the Sens zone and trying to join the back check.
- Doppleganger

This makes it sound like more than "2 or 3" times, dontcha think?

I watched the entire game, and agree that Karlsson had OVs number all night 5 on 5. Sure OV got his fair share of shots on the PP, but he was held pointless and Karlsson who played between 27 and 28 Minutes had a lot to do with it.

Ottawa was the best team on the ice for two periods, but could not solve Volkoun who stole the game for the Caps.

But after the great game in Washington they came home and crapped the bed...................it's going to be a long season if this keeps up.
- Doppleganger

According to dopps, having someone's number all night means you took the puck away from them twice.

Quotes by Dopple:

Quote
Dopple Response

1. Q - "on paper, the leafs defence looks really good"
1. DR - "And the old joke goes...........to bad they play the games on ice!!! "

2. "The leafs have not made the playoffs since spring 2004, if they fail to make it this coming spring, that will be 8 years, going on 9...............at what point does it become "way to damn long"?"

3. "So now that Myers has been signed long term extension for an average $5,5 MILLION per season (highest Dman on Roster once extension kicks in), I suspect that if, as you suggest, Schenn is better than Myers, surely he'll be signed to a much more lucrative contract (extension) right?"

Took 2 mins of searching in a single thread

You can say that you didnt technically trash the team, what you state implies that you are trying to bring down said teams
- mfreedman

My point exactly. The trashing comes when these facts (The leafs have not made the playoffs since spring 2004) are interpreted as trashing. For some reason pointing out facts is distasteful for some leaf fans.

This makes it sound like more than "2 or 3" times, dontcha think?
- Schenn-Sational!

Perhaps to someone, who did not see the game, and relies solely on reading stats.

Perhaps to someone, who did not see the game, and relies solely on reading stats.
- Doppleganger

Time and time again!

(twice)