absolutely but the Suter hype will have Homer looking elsewhere I'm sure, I don't think our D is that bad, I would like someone like Weber more so as what we lack is a Pronger like 10-15 goals rocket back there, but I don't think Suter over Carle changes our dynamic that much
- puckhead17

One area where Suter would be a very significant upgrade over Carle is on the PP. And While Carle is playing extended minutes with Pronger being absent, he's really not a 25 minute a game defenseman, more like 20 a game. While Suter is a legitimate 25 a game player.

We must be looking at two different teams. I see a team that is sorely lacking meanness on the blueline.
- FlyerGuy

They could use a physical defenseman. But that is one player out of 20. And every team would need a defenseman if they lost a Pronger.

I think anyone who watches Flyers games realizes why JVR isn't playing in the top 6.
- PLindbergh31

Yea cause he hasn't earned it

No, again, now trade Mez?

I think the grass is always greener with some of our D men
- puckhead17

I'm not suggesting it. Just saying it's one possibility. If they sign Suter they'd have to get the money from somewhere.

Injured to the point of being invisible most nights....what aboutblast season? The season before? Your in love with the potential and fail to see his been a big disappointment
- Philly1980

If JVR is traded and he becomes a 30-35 scorer, the female doging will be epic. IMO there is a better chance JVR becomes a consistent goal scoring power forward, then L. Schenn becoming a lock down first pairing dman.

Injured to the point of being invisible most nights....what aboutblast season? The season before? Your in love with the potential and fail to see his been a big disappointment
- Philly1980

I disagree that JVR has been a big disappointment.

Yea cause he hasn't earned it
- griouxmvp2012

I agree always making excuses for him half the NHL is playing injured

No, again, now trade Mez?

I think the grass is always greener with some of our D men
- puckhead17

Absolutely.

If JVR is traded and he becomes a 30-35 scorer, the female doging will be epic. IMO there is a better chance JVR becomes a consistent goal scoring power forward, then L. Schenn becoming a lock down first pairing dman.
- PLindbergh31

And maybe thats why the deal hasnt happened. The Flyers may be asking for more in return if Toronto is interested in JvR.

If JVR is traded and he becomes a 30-35 scorer, the female doging will be epic. IMO there is a better chance JVR becomes a consistent goal scoring power forward, then L. Schenn becoming a lock down first pairing dman.
- PLindbergh31

It's really quite simple. If the Flyers don't feel that Schenn is going to be a top pairing defenseman, then they don't make the deal. I wouldn't make the deal if that is the case. Unless there's something else very good to go along with it.

I agree always making excuses for him half the NHL is playing injured
- Philly1980

Injuries happen. Its hard to find a player who is playing 100% at this time of the season.

Injured to the point of being invisible most nights....what aboutblast season? The season before? Your in love with the potential and fail to see his been a big disappointment
- Philly1980

Let's wait until after the season and see the specifics of his injury.

If JVR is traded and he becomes a 30-35 scorer, the female doging will be epic. IMO there is a better chance JVR becomes a consistent goal scoring power forward, then L. Schenn becoming a lock down first pairing dman.
- PLindbergh31

Oh yeah just like last year when we traded Richards and carter......this team will be fine without jvr as well I'm not a fan of players, I'm a fan of the team and what we need now is defense not a powder forward playing 10 minutes a night

I'm not suggesting it. Just saying it's one possibility. If they sign Suter they'd have to get the money from somewhere.
- MJL

the claim for Schenn is because our D is too soft, Mez, Coburn & Bourdon are our bangers bak there

Yea cause he hasn't earned it
- griouxmvp2012

He was the Flyers best player in the Bruins series last year by a wide margin. That's a glimpse at what he can be once he matures. I'm not ready to trade that for a player who might become something. Not interested.

To be honest jvr wasn't really playing that great before he got hurt If your hurt that bad maybe you shouldn't play. To me he plays like a sissy lol he's a big dude and he doest use that to his advantage

He was the Flyers best player in the Bruins series last year by a wide margin. That's a glimpse at what he can be once he matures. I'm not ready to trade that for a player who might become something. Not interested.
- PLindbergh31

In six games he played to his potential

the claim for Schenn is because our D is too soft, Mez, Coburn & Bourdon are our bangers bak there
- puckhead17

I agree and if you read what I posted I said that since Suter isn't a physical player, and if they keep both Carle and sign Suter, and trade Meszaros, it would take away from the physical aspect of the defense. So hence I said I'd rather upgrade on Carle with Suter.

To be honest jvr wasn't really playing that great before he got hurt If your hurt that bad maybe you shouldn't play. To me he plays like a sissy lol he's a big dude and he doest use that to his advantage
- griouxmvp2012

JVr was on a 30 goal 30 assist pace before getting injured. He was on his way to having a breakouot year.

One area where Suter would be a very significant upgrade over Carle is on the PP. And While Carle is playing extended minutes with Pronger being absent, he's really not a 25 minute a game defenseman, more like 20 a game. While Suter is a legitimate 25 a game player.
- MJL

That is a good point, but, again, Nashville plays all 5 in the zone deep, who knows, Carle may be able to play 25 minutes a game in that system.

In a tight defensive system a 20 minute guy can probably play more minutes like 25.
We play more go go go & 25 minute D men in this system can be way different on your legs

Injuries happen. Its hard to find a player who is playing 100% at this time of the season.
- stveshdy

Every player has bumps and bruises no doubt, but I don't think a huge % of players play through injuries that require surgery. I give JVR credit for trying to gut it out. I would prefer he get the surgery now, and come back later in the season, but I'm thinking the time frame wouldn't allow him to return this year.

He was the Flyers best player in the Bruins series last year by a wide margin. That's a glimpse at what he can be once he matures. I'm not ready to trade that for a player who might become something. Not interested.
- PLindbergh31

Schenn has shown that same potential of what he can become once he matures. How hard is it to understand that both players are in the same boat? JVR is also a player that "might become something".

It appears as if the League will be talking about staged fights...

http://www.theglobeandmai...ed-fright/article2302663/

In six games he played to his potential
- Philly1980

Exactly. He's played 6 good games as a Flyer.

JVr was on a 30 goal 30 assist pace before getting injured. He was on his way to having a breakouot year.
- MJL

Really cuz I didn't even notice he was on the ice half the time putting up points is not what it's all about