OMG that's a lot. Maybe Schenn and JVR but two firsts is too much. Maybe try to keep the 2012 pick to replace one of these young forwards?
- Hextall271

I agree it's too much. Also have to keep in mind the Cap ramifications. If your going to take on a Cap hit as big as Weber's is going to be. You'll need some of those high value quality young players on low cap hits to fill out your roster. And if you keep giving away first round picks, that pipeline of young cheap talent will again dry up. And the Flyers will be back in the same boat as before dealing Richards and Carter, when players such as Giroux are ready for a new deal.

Bills point is what got lost. He wasn't making a judgement on Schenn's overall progress on the Season. He was making a judgement on Schenn's last two games compared to recent previous strong games Schenn has played. His analysis is sound.
- MJL

I agree with you that he wasn't making a season's judgment. He was clearly making a determination on 2 games. My point is that the analysis is over kill. Question for you since you've asked me several. At that point do comparisons of progress become the most meaningful? By shift? By period? By 2, 10, 40 games? One of the reasons I read Bill religiously is because he really gets in the weeds and he's usually fair. But a determination about whether a player has "regressed" after 2 games bugs me.

I agree it's too much. Also have to keep in mind the Cap ramifications. If your going to take on a Cap hit as big as Weber's is going to be. You'll need some of those high value quality young players on low cap hits to fill out your roster. And if you keep giving away first round picks, that pipeline of young cheap talent will again dry up. And the Flyers will be back in the same boat as before dealing Richards and Carter, when players such as Giroux are ready for a new deal.
- MJL

I am of the mind that Bettman and the owners will not let things keep going as they are with the cap so high. It's making the bottom feeding teams struggle to meet the cap floor cause it's so high and once again creating haves and have nots. If this happens, we won't be able to play business as usual. You will need cheap young talent as you say. We have to position ourselves correctly for the other side of the next CBA war.

I agree with you that he wasn't making a season's judgment. He was clearly making a determination on 2 games. My point is that the analysis is over kill. Question for you since you've asked me several. At that point do comparisons of progress become the most meaningful? By shift? By period? By 2, 10, 40 games? One of the reasons I read Bill religiously is because he really gets in the weeds and he's usually fair. But a determination about whether a player has "regressed" after 2 games bugs me.
- 2731color

He's talking about those 2 games, nothing more.
To answer your question, I'm no where near the point of making an overall judgement on Schenn's Season.

I am of the mind that Bettman and the owners will not let things keep going as they are with the cap so high. It's making the bottom feeding teams struggle to meet the cap floor cause it's so high and once again creating haves and have nots. If this happens, we won't be able to play business as usual. You will need cheap young talent as you say. We have to position ourselves correctly for the other side of the next CBA war.
- Hextall271

The new TV deal is going to kick in 200M a year. The Cap is going to go up.

Ok i remembered a part of it at least... I'd do almost anything to get him in a Flyers uniform.

If i had to trade Schenn, JvR, 2012 1st, 2013 1st, i would do it.

Is it a smart thing to do? I don't know. Would be a huge trade to be honest, and we'd lose some depth.
- archion113

You do that trade in a heartbeat if your the flyers. If your the press IMO its not enough

You do that trade in a heartbeat if your the flyers. If your the press IMO its not enough
- Just5

I'd pass on it. Giving up too much.

The new TV deal is going to kick in 200M a year. The Cap is going to go up.
- MJL

Is that a done deal? I know many of the talking heads on CBC and TSN have explained that owners are not happy with the cap right now as I mention and that they won't let it continue. It made sense to me when they explained it. If the cap goes up .. how do the have note compete?

I say we trade for some one like schenn and then try to sign suter and draft a dman in the 1st round next year

I'd pass on it. Giving up too much.
- MJL

There's no way the flyers can make a deal with Nashville without one of cooter or giroux involved.

Is that a done deal? I know many of the talking heads on CBC and TSN have explained that owners are not happy with the cap right now as I mention and that they won't let it continue. It made sense to me when they explained it. If the cap goes up .. how do the have note compete?
- Hextall271

Yes, it's a done deal. I think there are some owners that are unhappy, but not most. Look at the discrepancy there is now between the top spenders and low budget spenders. There is 17M difference between the top spending team and the lowest. More then half the League, 16 teams, are spending over 60M on payroll. And another 6 teams spending over 55M. Who is authorizing that spending?

There's no way the flyers can make a deal with Nashville without one of cooter or giroux involved.
- Just5

I don't know. But I know I wouldn't trade either.

I'd pass on it. Giving up too much.
- MJL

I would pass as well. Not that Weber isn't worth it but I feel that would hurt the team in the future.
What kind of contract is Weber going to want.

The best Dman in the league doesn't win you the cup. A solid and balanced team with good goaltending does.

I would prefer the flyers make a trade and move up in the draft to get a good quality young dman.

There's a contradiction here. Your statement here says that your aware that he wasn't making a Season's judgement, and then in the end you say that a determination about whether a player has regressed after 2 games bugs you. Again, all that he said is that Schenn's last two games have regressed from his previous games before the last two, where Schenn played well. He's talking about those 2 games, nothing more.
To answer your question, I'm no where near the point of making an overall judgement on Schenn's Season.
- MJL

No contradiction in what I said. I know Bill wasn't making a seasonal judgment, OK. But a 2 game judgment using regressed bugs me... because I believe 2 games is too small a sample to use the word "regressed". Hey, coaches are making judgments by the shift to determine ice time. If Schenn played say 20 games and scored 5 goals and then played the next 20 and scored 1, it might be accurate to say he's regressed. I'm not debating what you or Bill saw with Schenn, minutes down, play not as strong, big turnover. My problem is with characterizing it as regression... too strong for a small window. Anyway, have a good rest of the day. Let's go Packers!!!

Yes, it's a done deal. I think there are some owners that are unhappy, but not most. Look at the discrepancy there is now between the top spenders and low budget spenders. There is 17M difference between the top spending team and the lowest. More then half the League, 16 teams, are spending over 60M on payroll. And another 6 teams spending over 55M. Who is authorizing that spending?
- MJL

Well, I hope you are correct and it does go up. It's a good thing for us for sure.

Well, I hope you are correct and it does go up. It's a good thing for us for sure.
- Hextall271

Cap goes up, salaries go up. It seems to be relative so far.

I would like the Flyers defense bolstered though. While Carle is having a good year, he is still Carle, Doesn't tie up his men in front of the net and gets lost in the defensive zone often. Gets outworked in front of the net by much smaller bodies. He's a good player, and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but even if he resigned for the same contract he'd be getting paid to much for me.

Its funny to watch our team defense play against a 2 man forcheck. Its like they've never seen it before and they just throw pucks away.

If Pronger comes back (next year), and i expect him to, i'd like to see:

Pronger/Mez
Coburn/Timonen

Cap goes up, salaries go up. It seems to be relative so far.

I would like the Flyers defense bolstered though. While Carle is having a good year, he is still Carle, Doesn't tie up his men in front of the net and gets lost in the defensive zone often. Gets outworked in front of the net by much smaller bodies. He's a good player, and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but even if he resigned for the same contract he'd be getting paid to much for me.

Its funny to watch our team defense play against a 2 man forcheck. Its like they've never seen it before and they just throw pucks away.

If Pronger comes back (next year), and i expect him to, i'd like to see:

Pronger/Mez
Coburn/Timonen
- archion113

Here comes another MJL vs archion113 battle.

So any new flyers rumors today ??

So Lava needs to get Bob in against the top teams. If he does well then I'd say we have the true #1 goalie. I know it's probably not that simple, but he seems to be playing better and if it has been against lower tier teams see if he can step up. If Bryz can't deal with the competition then screw him. I know Lava has to be careful with egos, but at some point I think the team needs to know there is a #1 goalie. Or do they just try to ride two goalies, alternate games and let it be?

Here comes another MJL vs archion113 battle.
- Schenn2shine

Nah i don't battle anymore... i've learned the value in each others opinons...

I might not agree with him, but i respect his rights to his own opinion.

Cap goes up, salaries go up. It seems to be relative so far.

I would like the Flyers defense bolstered though. While Carle is having a good year, he is still Carle, Doesn't tie up his men in front of the net and gets lost in the defensive zone often. Gets outworked in front of the net by much smaller bodies. He's a good player, and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but even if he resigned for the same contract he'd be getting paid to much for me.

Its funny to watch our team defense play against a 2 man forcheck. Its like they've never seen it before and they just throw pucks away.

If Pronger comes back (next year), and i expect him to, i'd like to see:

Pronger/Mez
Coburn/Timonen
- archion113

I think his body has hit the breaking point and if he does come back it will be a much lesser Pronger. I think he is done, which is a shame.

Cap goes up, salaries go up. It seems to be relative so far.

I would like the Flyers defense bolstered though. While Carle is having a good year, he is still Carle, Doesn't tie up his men in front of the net and gets lost in the defensive zone often. Gets outworked in front of the net by much smaller bodies. He's a good player, and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but even if he resigned for the same contract he'd be getting paid to much for me.

Its funny to watch our team defense play against a 2 man forcheck. Its like they've never seen it before and they just throw pucks away.

If Pronger comes back (next year), and i expect him to, i'd like to see:

Pronger/Mez
Coburn/Timonen
- archion113

I'd like to buy what you're selling about Pronger, but what makes you think he's coming back. Everything I am hearing screams he's done Hell, I'd love for us to get a depth dman, and see him glriously return for th eplayoffs when there is no cap, but doesn't sound like he's getting better. I guess noone knows.

I think his body has hit the breaking point and if he doesn't come back it will be a much lesser Pronger. I think he is done, which is a shame.
- LJF

Could be... i think he battles back though.

The hockey gods cant punish us again with this crap...

I'd like to buy what you're selling about Pronger, but what makes you think he's coming back. Everything I am hearing screams he's done Hell, I'd love for us to get a depth dman, and see him glriously return for th eplayoffs when there is no cap, but doesn't sound like he's getting better. I guess noone knows.
- Hextall271

Just what i think... he's a warrior. If he retires i won't be mad at him, i'll fully understand. The health of a player is much more important then the game of hockey.

I just expect at the very least a final hooray from him. If it doesn't happen, i'll still be grateful for even having him for a short time.

Cap goes up, salaries go up. It seems to be relative so far.

I would like the Flyers defense bolstered though. While Carle is having a good year, he is still Carle, Doesn't tie up his men in front of the net and gets lost in the defensive zone often. Gets outworked in front of the net by much smaller bodies. He's a good player, and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but even if he resigned for the same contract he'd be getting paid to much for me.

Its funny to watch our team defense play against a 2 man forcheck. Its like they've never seen it before and they just throw pucks away.

If Pronger comes back (next year), and i expect him to, i'd like to see:

Pronger/Mez
Coburn/Timonen
- archion113

Carle doesn't get lost in the defensive zone often. That's inaccurate. Carle's defensive positioning is sound. The fact that he leads the team in blocked shots shows how good his positioning is. Carle rarely blows a defensive assignment. Handles the puck under pressure extremely well. And is having a very, very strong year. And is going to earn a very good deal with whoever he is playing with next Season. What he lacks in physical size, he more then makes up for it with his other skills.