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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
?? Schenn is a beast he just hada rough game
- griouxmvp2012


Yeah, I think he's going to be great. I was reffing to the fact that some are impatient with him/think he sucks.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:01 PM ET
League top goal scorers - Shot % - CAREER AVERAGES
Stamkos 16.52
Kessel 10.94
Gaborik 13.33
Michalek 12.74
Toews 15.20

All above Carter's 10.88 career average (His current year average is 10.53).

I don't think you're arguement is a winning one. The "best" wrist shot in the league is not Carter. Carter's 10.88 shot % is not good, or as you said "You'll see that Carter's percentages with the Flyers are in norm with other top goal scorers." Ok, Kessel is close. But, 10.88 is not even close to Stamkos, Gaborik, Michalek, and Toews...

- leon neon


Go back and reread my posts. I'm not talking about career averages. I'm talking about when Carter became one of the top shot producers in the NHL. If I have to do it for you, I will. Carter's Shot percentages is within the norm of the League among the top shot producers. Carter shot the puck a lot more then a lot of players. My argument is absolutely correct.
I really don't want to discuss it further. What's the point?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:03 PM ET
Smirnoff

oooo that's gasoline your drinking bro'

- puckhead17

Gasoline makes my motor humm
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
I think that with this team, and the rebuilding movement we're in now, it's more important to get this issue fixed that it is to worry about playoff seedings, or even making the playoffs. This team isn't winning the cup this season without a lifetime's worth of lucky bounces and favorable matchups. I think it's more important to fix this now and set ourselves up for the future than it is to worry about where we finish this season.

I'll be just as disappointed as the next guy if we don't make the playoffs, but I think with this team we have to be thinking long term, not in 'win now' mode. Same reason I don't want to trade any young players or draft picks for big ticket deadline acquisitions.

- BringBack25


That about sums it up.

I knew I liked you, D.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
I feel he has been given enough time. I still believe in him. I'm still confident in the signing and won't be this way forever. But the time has come to play the better player. It really isn't fair to the other players on the team to not do so. I felt to make this move earlier would have been premature. But were past that point in my opinion. It's still a long Season, and things can change.
- MJL



There is the possibility that this just may not be a good fit for him or the team, (if he doesn't find his game), face it, if he had 2 other offers, (which I doubt, as most teams were already set in net), he followed the Brinks truck to Philly, I'm not an analyst, nor am I Lavy, or Homer, obviously, but I've been a fan since a kid in the 70's, & I don't feel confidant with him, from a fans perspective, as I just don't see this.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't feel or see it.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
I can't go along with that. You do what has to be done to make the playoffs. A large part of building for the future is to get some of these young players some playoff experience.
- MJL


Agreed that playoff experience is important. So is getting Bryz to play his best. They have to find a way to do both if they can. But I can't get behind the idea of wasting the money we're paying Bryzgalov by sitting him on the bench just to finish seventh instead of eighth. Or fifth instead of sixth. Hard as it is to do, they have to think long term with this team, and not get caught up in the win now frenzy.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 15 @ 1:05 PM ET
Gasoline makes my motor humm

- JoeRussomanno

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2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:05 PM ET
Here is what Bill said, and he's correct.

"On the flip side, I think fellow rookie Brayden Schenn has regressed a bit in the last two games."

- MJL

I read the same thing as you and understand what he said. Just don't see the point of saying it. Why not just say his play hasn't been as strong lately? I think "regressed" even modified with "a bit" is too much. I don't see the point
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:06 PM ET
I think that with this team, and the rebuilding movement we're in now, it's more important to get this issue fixed that it is to worry about playoff seedings, or even making the playoffs. This team isn't winning the cup this season without a lifetime's worth of lucky bounces and favorable matchups. I think it's more important to fix this now and set ourselves up for the future than it is to worry about where we finish this season.

I'll be just as disappointed as the next guy if we don't make the playoffs, but I think with this team we have to be thinking long term, not in 'win now' mode. Same reason I don't want to trade any young players or draft picks for big ticket deadline acquisitions.

- BringBack25



I agree, & with what your saying, where does a 9 year deal for a 31 year old goalie make sense long term?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:06 PM ET
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- BulliesPhan87

yea i don't know what happened oh well
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:08 PM ET
Gasoline makes my motor humm

- JoeRussomanno




wooooooooo

Too much gasoline may require an transmission repair, (followed by a leaky engine at old age)
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:08 PM ET
I can't go along with that. You do what has to be done to make the playoffs. A large part of building for the future is to get some of these young players some playoff experience.
- MJL


You still look to make the playoffs, and anything can happen once you get there. But like BB said, it'll take a lot of luck.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:08 PM ET
yea i don't know what happened oh well
- JoeRussomanno



That's what Bryz said
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:09 PM ET
There is the possibility that this just may not be a good fit for him or the team, (if he doesn't find his game), face it, if he had 2 other offers, (which I doubt, as most teams were already set in net), he followed the Brinks truck to Philly, I'm not an analyst, nor am I Lavy, or Homer, obviously, but I've been a fan since a kid in the 70's, & I don't feel confidant with him, from a fans perspective, as I just don't see this.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't feel or see it.

- puckhead17



It's totally understandable not to feel confident in him at this point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:10 PM ET
I read the same thing as you and understand what he said. Just don't see the point of saying it. Why not just say his play hasn't been as strong lately? I think "regressed" even modified with "a bit" is too much. I don't see the point
- 2731color



It's accurate to say that the last 2 games, Schenn's play has regressed from the previous games before the last 2.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:10 PM ET
wooooooooo

Too much gasoline may require an transmission repair, (followed by a leaky engine at old age)

- puckhead17

hey puckhead
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:12 PM ET
That's what Bryz said
- puckhead17

YEa maybe i spilled my hot tea on my keyboard while reading about the universe
2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:12 PM ET
It's accurate to say that the last 2 games, Schenn's play has regressed from the previous games before the last 2.
- MJL

Anything you say friend.
archion113
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Orlando, FL
Joined: 06.04.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:13 PM ET
Schenn is not overhyped. Prospect does not mean a guarantee.
- MJL


You mean you don't agree? Shocking.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:13 PM ET
I think that with this team, and the rebuilding movement we're in now, it's more important to get this issue fixed that it is to worry about playoff seedings, or even making the playoffs. This team isn't winning the cup this season without a lifetime's worth of lucky bounces and favorable matchups. I think it's more important to fix this now and set ourselves up for the future than it is to worry about where we finish this season.

I'll be just as disappointed as the next guy if we don't make the playoffs, but I think with this team we have to be thinking long term, not in 'win now' mode. Same reason I don't want to trade any young players or draft picks for big ticket deadline acquisitions.

- BringBack25



you really think they might not make the playoffs??
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:13 PM ET
Agreed that playoff experience is important. So is getting Bryz to play his best. They have to find a way to do both if they can. But I can't get behind the idea of wasting the money we're paying Bryzgalov by sitting him on the bench just to finish seventh instead of eighth. Or fifth instead of sixth. Hard as it is to do, they have to think long term with this team, and not get caught up in the win now frenzy.
- BringBack25



There is a way to do both. How did Bobrovsky earn more playing time? Bryzgalov has started 29 games to Bobrovsky's 14. Bobrovsky showed that he is the better player with less then half the starts that Bryzgalov has had. Bryzgalov can do the same as Bobrovsky gets more starts. And show that he deserves to play over Bobrovsky, and make the best of every opportunity he gets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:14 PM ET
Anything you say friend.
- 2731color


Is it or isn't it accurate?
archion113
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Orlando, FL
Joined: 06.04.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:14 PM ET
Yeah, I think he's going to be great. I was reffing to the fact that some are impatient with him/think he sucks.
- Hextall271


I don't think he sucks... but i wouldn't shed a tear if he brough us Weber or Suter.

BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jan 15 @ 1:14 PM ET
I'm out for a while folks. Gotta get some things done around here today.

While I'm gone, please take care of the following items:

a) get Bryz playing up to his potential, and
b) acquire a solid, physical, veteran d-man without giving up any young players or high draft picks.

Thanks. I'll be back to check on you all later.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 15 @ 1:15 PM ET
you really think they might not make the playoffs??
- Don'tForgetTocchet

This year it would be easy to miss the playoffs.
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