We talked about this before many times and how the NHL salary structure works. Giroux is on his first deal out of his EL deal. If Giroux was to resign right now, what would he get? Is JVR a 4.25M player next year? Is he a player this year, that warrants a 4.25M deal? So why did he get it? Voracek isn't going to sign a multi year deal for a paltry raise.

NHL salaries are not black and white in comparing players and how good they are compared to each other.
- MJL

I see it like this. Voracek is in line for a better season than he had last year.. although his pace is for 12 goals and 38 assists. They are not terrible numbers, and the assists do jump out at you. With that being said, he signed a one year deal for 2.25 this season.. this seasons pace is not all that better than what he did last season

I'm not Team Bob or Team Bryz, but Team Flyers. However, in the Bob has only had success against the "bottom feeders" argument - you have to take a look at the flip side of the coin. Bryzgalov has been torched by some of these lowly teams. In fact he got run out of the net the last time he started against the Islanders.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Bryzgalov has struggled, against teams both good and bad. No question there.

The only reason I bring up Bobrovsky playing (mostly) bad teams is to say that he needs to play against more good teams. If Bryzgalov can't rebound and Bobrovsky has to go, there's not going to be any Carolinas or Isles in the playoffs.

No, it won't...I saw a dumbass stripping phone wire with his teeth-line was already tied into the house system & he was repalcing a jack and the phone rang...I was laughing my ass off.
- Jsaquella

no baby making rights for you sir when that seems like an acceptable alternative to wire strippers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ladislav-scurko-2004-nhl-draft-pick-playing-again-190450818.html

Prayers to lack of toughness answered!
- Jsaquella

Best part of that article are the comments.

#17. Obviously Carter in CBJ trying to injure himself so as not to be traded.
- rockychocbill

good catch on that one

but i would think carter would want out of CLB

no baby making rights for you sir when that seems like an acceptable alternative to wire strippers.
- bird_dog

Hell, at least grow a damned thumbnail

And when he had those 6 starts in a row, including playing two back to back situations, what were his numbers? Yea they won, but if were just going by wins, then there's no problem. As he's only 2 wins out of being in the top 10 in the NHL among Goalies. Bryzgalov has gotten almost twice as many starts as Bobrovsky has gotten. He's gotten more then enough starts to prove himself. Like I said, I have no problem letting him keep starting. But if I was making the decision, Bobrovsky would be getting more starts, and were going to play whoever is playing better.
- MJL

are you seriously asking that question... after how many times where you said you cant look at numbers?

are you seriously asking that question... after how many times where you said you cant look at numbers?
- jak521

good catch on that one

but i would think carter would want out of CLB
- 2Real

I know. I was being sarcastic.

oh, not at all. i'm actually thankful. i have lots of verbal peeves like that and was disgusted by my lack of self-awareness.
- hammarby31

*starts compiling list of phrases for future discussions with hammarby*

Carle in my mind is doing what Timonen is doing. Making plays from the blue line. Not much of a difference between Carle and Timonen in my opinion on the PP.
- Schenn2shine

There is a huge difference between Carle and Timonen on the PP. Timonen is among the League leaders in PP points among D men. Carle isn't

I know. I was being sarcastic.
- rockychocbill

*starts compiling list of phrases for future discussions with hammarby*
- tangent_man

if you use the word 'moist' you are on your own...

are you seriously asking that question... after how many times where you said you cant look at numbers?
- jak521

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I don't recall saying that exactly, but I'll take your word for it. I know what my opinion is, and what it's based on. If you want to challenge it, then go ahead and do so and make a point. Things change over the course of a Season. What your willing to do and how you handle something in Oct, Nov, and how you handle it in Jan and later in the Season are different. As the circumstances change, an opinion changes. There is more data to consider, and more games have been played. Really a simple concept.

And if need be, I'll gladly review the basics of my opinion, and how it has evolved, from the beginning of the Season until now.

There is a huge difference between Carle and Timonen on the PP. Timonen is among the League leaders in PP points among D men. Carle isn't
- MJL

There isn't a huge difference at all.

Bryzgalov has struggled, against teams both good and bad. No question there.

The only reason I bring up Bobrovsky playing (mostly) bad teams is to say that he needs to play against more good teams. If Bryzgalov can't rebound and Bobrovsky has to go, there's not going to be any Carolinas or Isles in the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

I agree with you. Like you said, I'd give Bob a shot at the Boston's of the league. Of course, if that does happen, you'd have the Philadelphia Clown Crew spinning a story about how Bryzgalov is too fragile mentally to handle the tougher teams.

I see it like this. Voracek is in line for a better season than he had last year.. although his pace is for 12 goals and 38 assists. They are not terrible numbers, and the assists do jump out at you. With that being said, he signed a one year deal for 2.25 this season.. this seasons pace is not all that better than what he did last season
- jak521

What a player signs for is based on far more then that.

Bryzgalov has struggled, against teams both good and bad. No question there.

The only reason I bring up Bobrovsky playing (mostly) bad teams is to say that he needs to play against more good teams. If Bryzgalov can't rebound and Bobrovsky has to go, there's not going to be any Carolinas or Isles in the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

Bob beat Pittsburgh, Dallas, Toronto, and played well when relieving Bryzgalov after his stinker performance against boston

What a player signs for is based on far more then that.
- MJL

players aren't signed for their performance?

*starts compiling list of phrases for future discussions with hammarby*
- tangent_man

I agree with you. Like you said, I'd give Bob a shot at the Boston's of the league. Of course, if that does happen, you'd have the Philadelphia Clown Crew spinning a story about how Bryzgalov is too fragile mentally to handle the tougher teams.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

That's when the goalie has to forget the media and focus on his job. He has to worry about what he can do and can impact, not what he can't.

There isn't a huge difference at all.
- Schenn2shine

I'm afraid there is. For as good as Carle is offensively at ES. PP point production is a weakness for him. One of the areas he needs to improve on. I don't think he's terrible. But he isn't as good as Timonen is.

That's when the goalie has to forget the media and focus on his job. He has to worry about what he can do and can impact, not what he can't.
- Jsaquella

(frank) the media, play hockey and win!!

I agree with you. Like you said, I'd give Bob a shot at the Boston's of the league. Of course, if that does happen, you'd have the Philadelphia Clown Crew spinning a story about how Bryzgalov is too fragile mentally to handle the tougher teams.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Vigneault started Schneider over Luongo in Boston recently. Now Schneider is from the Boston area, but still........

I think the goaltending situations in Philly and VanCity are very, very similar. Fans here will rip on Luongo as much as Flyer fans rip on Bryz.

What a player signs for is based on far more then that.
- MJL

I'd like to see Jake on the PK, he's a solid defensive forward