I didnt think turris actually made contact with reimer there..ill have to see it again...i very well could be wrong..

i just watched it again..honestly there isnt much contact there..he isnt on reimer at any point...he gets hit and slides through the crease and makes soft contact with the pad...certainly not enough to mess up reimers positioning..but as you said he was out of position to being with...so ya...
- TheMike12

That play does not really matter because there was a delayed penalty for the cross check on Turris. You can't say goalie interference when the guy who put him there is being penalized.

never played the sport have you?
....figured.
- Barx

Yes I have played the sport and I know that the 'important' players shouldn't be fighting unless it's under rare circumstances. I've played enough to know tht your 3rd and 4th liners are the guys who do that stuff (again unless under rare circumstances).

Listen, it wasn't a 'heat of the moment' play. Phaneuf had more than enough time to compose himself before going in and challenging Foligno.

And to whomever said 'you don't back down'. Well it wasn't a matter of backing down, buddy. Phaneuf challenged Foligno!

As for talking about other players that do it. Sure, sometimes they do it, but it's extremely rare.

You see Chara fight much anymore? He broke his hand fighting when playing for Ottawa and since then he's learned his lesson (and his coaches have told him not to fight). He's just too important to his team.

That play does not really matter because there was a delayed penalty for the cross check on Turris. You can't say goalie interference when the guy who put him there is being penalized.
- spatso

on the first goal, yeah.

second goal was 100% interference.

ah well, its done now.

leafs best get a streak going or get the golf clubs out.

Jake Gardiner played in like 35 consecutive games making countless mistakes that lead to goals.

Schenn played in NHL at 18.

sorry, you are mistaken
- Big_Lightnin

Countless mistakes?
Are you referring to Schenn?
Gardiner has made some errors...but countless? Get a grip kid.
If anything, Gardiner has made countless good plays.

Because he doesn't have the big contract Schenn does......Gardiner has outplayed schenn in every aspect of the game except hitting...but 99% of schenn's hits have no impact on the game....but his slow foot speed, brain cramps, incompetent playmaking and lack of defensive skills have had a huge impact on a lot of games....as they usually lead a goal for the opposing team.
Schenn should have been scratched for many games....say with Komi....but the dollars say otherwise.
Oh and by the way..Gardiner has played 38 NHL games to Schenn's 275. Gardiner has proving much more valuable.
- Fakepartofme

gonna be fun when you have this same rant about Gardiner for his lack of defensive awareness and poor decision making. The guy should not be in the NHL this year.

Because he doesn't have the big contract Schenn does......Gardiner has outplayed schenn in every aspect of the game except hitting...but 99% of schenn's hits have no impact on the game....but his slow foot speed, brain cramps, incompetent playmaking and lack of defensive skills have had a huge impact on a lot of games....as they usually lead a goal for the opposing team.
Schenn should have been scratched for many games....say with Komi....but the dollars say otherwise.
Oh and by the way..Gardiner has played 38 NHL games to Schenn's 275. Gardiner has proving much more valuable.
- Fakepartofme

Show me how Gardiner has outplayed Schenn.....he's contributed more offense? better at even strength? show me.

With 4 minutes more ice time over 38 games, the offensive kid has contributed 3 less points? is behind Schenn in +/-?

I'm not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of justifying their games. It went off a skate, he was screened, he was bumped. Just stop the (frank)ing pucks when needed for crying out loud.
- weirdoh

I agree... The amazing thing is, the Leafs are where they're at without great goaltending... Imagine if we got it? We could be where Ottawa is...

I'm not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of justifying their games. It went off a skate, he was screened, he was bumped. Just stop the (frank)ing pucks when needed for crying out loud.
- weirdoh

You got it cobra commander.....completely agree. But this is leaf land....there's an excuse for everything.

It's no coincidence the playoff games you won occured when the leafs weren't in the playoffs...cause we all know how that story would have ended.
- Fakepartofme

I might print this out and put it on my bulletin board in my office.

I'm not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of justifying their games. It went off a skate, he was screened, he was bumped. Just stop the (frank)ing pucks when needed for crying out loud.
- weirdoh

I think its moreso an adjustment to the longer NHL schedule, more games etc. He's also had his game reigned in a lot since the preseason. AHL would be a great place for him to build some stamina, and get stronger, as well as explore his creative side. At least until the log-jam clears on the blueline. That afterall was the original plan......
- mykokes

the problem with the AHL is the forward systems are looser than at the NHL level (as they should be, these guys are learning their trade).. but it makes it tough for d-men to ply their trade.. however a PMD may have an easier time than a stay at home guy simply because it would be more difficult to anticipate openings whereas in the NHL you can take a guess and be right 9 oout of 10 times.

thing is, while liles it out.. the leafs needs that speed on the blueline.. i'd like to keep gardiner until liles is back and healthy

exactly....great goalies find ways to stop pucks.
- Barx

Burke will fix this, and find a goalie at the deadline if one of these guys does not step up.

My bet is the Monster gets on a roll and takes the job. I said that in July and am saying it again now. Physically he is better, and right now mentally I think Reimer has lost his confidence. He was fighting the puck all night.

gonna be fun when you have this same rant about Gardiner for his lack of defensive awareness and poor decision making. The guy should not be in the NHL this year.
- Big_Lightnin

I agree he should have had one more year in the AHL....heck so should have schenn.
But Gardiner played his way onto the team...Schenn was just giving it hoping he would get better.....he hasn't....not at all.
GARBAGE!!!

Yes I have played the sport and I know that the 'important' players shouldn't be fighting unless it's under rare circumstances. I've played enough to know tht your 3rd and 4th liners are the guys who do that stuff (again unless under rare circumstances).

Listen, it wasn't a 'heat of the moment' play. Phaneuf had more than enough time to compose himself before going in and challenging Foligno.

And to whomever said 'you don't back down'. Well it wasn't a matter of backing down, buddy. Phaneuf challenged Foligno!

As for talking about other players that do it. Sure, sometimes they do it, but it's extremely rare.

You see Chara fight much anymore? He broke his hand fighting when playing for Ottawa and since then he's learned his lesson (and his coaches have told him not to fight). He's just too important to his team.
- Charliebox

phanuef needs to respond. period.
ie .iginla.
you can't bubble wrap a fierce competitor, that is ridiculous.

or just look at last year when they were in the lottery. Were they better than the Leafs then too
- Big_Lightnin

Oh yes, how could I forget the Leafs domination of the regular season last year.

Here's a question. If you're not going to make the playoffs, would you rather finish 9th, or 15th?

That being said, I guess your answer would be 9th, seeing as you never have your first round picks.

What a joke.

Countless mistakes?
Are you referring to Schenn?
Gardiner has made some errors...but countless? Get a grip kid.
If anything, Gardiner has made countless good plays.
- Fakepartofme

riiiiight.

Sorry kid, can't have this conversation with you. You're too motivated to lower everyone's hype on Schenn you're ignoring massive deficiencies in other players.

If Liles wasn't injured, Gardiner wouldn't be in the lineup. Fact. They just need his puck-carrying skills.

Toronto the soft skilled team that hems teams in their zone and takes a shot after shot and makes offensive rush after offensive rush.Ottawa the team with a goaltender a little tallent but has the bullies .So much irony

All i can say to you Toronto fans ,is thanks We took our beatings in the playoffs for your tough team ,but i think we also learned from them ,hense ottawa hasnt had a weak physical team ever since the last beat down .

he was on his pad. Pushed in to him, not saying interference, but guy was on his leg. he couldn't move. Not that it would have mattered cause he was out of position, just making a point.
- Big_Lightnin

the first goal? guy slid on his belly into reimer and was directed into the crease by the leafs d-man.. reimer has to be stronger in the net than that regardless.

and i didnt like reimer whining at the ref over it either.. if you want to succeed in the playoffs you better get used to playing through stuff like that because its the norm in the post season (crashing the net)

Oh yes, how could I forget the Leafs domination of the regular season last year.

Here's a question. If you're not going to make the playoffs, would you rather finish 9th, or 15th?

That being said, I guess your answer would be 9th, seeing as you never have your first round picks.

What a joke.
- Jordo

Say something stupid. Have it pointed out to you. Say something else stupid.

Man, you've got your routine down pat. Practice makes perfect I guess.

I might print this out and put it on my bulletin board in my office.
- Jordo

beside your naked picture of spezza im sure.

Not challenging Foligno to a fight after a borderline hit, is by no means the same thing as turtling!!

I'd argue that losing your captain and best Dman for 7 mins in an important game you are up 2-1 in, is NOT playing hockey the 'right' way.

That is how you lose games.

If you'd rather lose game because of selfish plays, fine. But don't sit there and say that's how hockey is played, because it doesn't have to be played that way. As I said before, there are plenty of guys on that Leaf bench who could have stood up to Foligno and it not cost the Leafs to lose thier best Dman for 7 mins.
- Charliebox

That's is the problem with fighting in hockey now-a-days and the reason it picks up speed to get rid of it. Fighting isn't about staged fights, it's about emotion getting the better of you in the heat of the moment. Dion was hurt and couldn't go at him immediately but stewed on the bench waiting. If carkner and Rosehill go because of Foligno and Dion that's rediculous.

Look at the 70's. Thos teams had stars who faught. Sittler, Clark, Williams were legends. The Oilers ruined it by starting the bodyguard role. Semenko was the best fighter of his time arguably, but he ruined the path for the future.

I agree... The amazing thing is, the Leafs are where they're at without great goaltending... Imagine if we got it? We could be where Ottawa is...
- PTVinnyMac

Andersson first 30 gp, horrible....last 15.....best goalie in the league.
I'm not counting out James Reimer yet.....lots of season for him to turn it around.

Phaneuf challenged Foligno!
- Charliebox

Other way around. Dion was there and Foligno challenged him.

Oh yes, how could I forget the Leafs domination of the regular season last year.

Here's a question. If you're not going to make the playoffs, would you rather finish 9th, or 15th?

That being said, I guess your answer would be 9th, seeing as you never have your first round picks.

What a joke.
- Jordo

keep up the great job at trolling, im sure leafman will come in eventually and remove you.

on the first goal, yeah.

second goal was 100% interference.

ah well, its done now.

leafs best get a streak going or get the golf clubs out.
- big_dion

bingo.. 100% agree..poop happens.. get over it and move on.. calls go the leafs way 50% of the time and 50% of the time they dont.. tis the nature of the game boys and girls