I say eff it take a roughing or instigator in a game like last night, I'd rather have to kill off a penalty which probably leads to a goal then lose Briere, or Giroux for an extended amount of time.
- JoeRussomanno

I think it goes a long way for the morale of the team as well. When you have guys fighting for you and standing up for you it brings you together.

Running is hitting someone when the clock is at 2 seconds and there is no play being made but allowing the clock to run out at the end of a period, hitting a skilled player who clearly never makes contact with a puck. Finishing a check more than a little late.

That happened all night long.
- jak521

So how can you run a player all night long if it only happens with a couple seconds left in the period?

In 1 year many players go from NHL player to retirement. You may be right about that, but he's had a 10 year career for a reason. Is it dumb luck? I agree his time has come to an end in this league, but really, who gives a poop and why do we need to debate it every day?
- funmaster18

because Panaccio told us to.

ScottNosHockey
- BulliesPhan87

So how can you run a player all night long if it only happens with a couple seconds left in the period?
- Schenn2shine

if you watched the game, it happened all night long.

So when his contract is up you say he will still be in the NHL. Or what if he gets waived, another team will claim him?
- jak521

Is that what I said? How old is he going to be?

In 1 year many players go from NHL player to retirement. You may be right about that, but he's had a 10 year career for a reason. Is it dumb luck? I agree his time has come to an end in this league, but really, who gives a poop and why do we need to debate it every day?
- funmaster18

I simply made a comment about him not being an NHL player. I think he is in the NHL on the simple basis of his fighting merit. People can disagree with me, but thats my opinion. If he isnt protecting guys from clowns out there running around, what is he doing on the ice? He played on the PP in a 5-1 win, yet didnt enforce anything. Guys hit who they wanted when they wanted and how they wanted. I saw several other players get upset about it.. but nothing was done. Thats why I posted my statement.

if you watched the game, it happened all night long.
- wilsonecho91

There are 3 periods in a Hockey game. So Clutterbuck ran out players 3 times with seconds left in each period?

Is that what I said? How old is he going to be?
- MJL

You said he is an NHL player. Obviously he has an NHL contract, but that doesnt mean he is NHL caliber. Hell, there are guys who play every single year in the NHL who are not NHL caliber...

Eh, Shelley isnt THAT good of a fighter.
- jak521

Eh, you obviously missed the sarcasm.

So how can you run a player all night long if it only happens with a couple seconds left in the period?
- Schenn2shine

It was an example.

There are 3 periods in a Hockey game. So Clutterbuck ran out players 3 times with seconds left in each period?
- Schenn2shine

if you watched the game, Clutterbuck ran players all night long. if you didn't see that, don't know what to tell you.

Eh, you obviously missed the sarcasm.
- MJL

wait. (frank)! you were being sarcastic about shelley being good about something

It was an example.
- jak521

I asked you what running our players means. Your example only gives 3 chances of running a players, so don't see how it can happen all night.

if you watched the game, Clutterbuck ran players all night long. if you didn't see that, don't know what to tell you.
- wilsonecho91

It was clear as day to me and the 6 teammates I watched it with...

if you watched the game, Clutterbuck ran players all night long. if you didn't see that, don't know what to tell you.
- wilsonecho91

I asked what the difference is between running players and hitting them was. I was then given an example that doesn't make sense as to how it could happen all night long. If you can't clarify with anthing outside of "It happened all night". I don't know what to tell you either.

so what is Shelley's role then? Even if we can exactly define where the line of'running around' is, Clutterbuck was definitely over it last night. Clutterbuck plays a very chippy game, but that was over the top even for him. If the enforcer's role is to prevent that or change the course of action, and the game is 5-1, I would have expected Shelley to visit Clutterbuck at least once, even if not necessarily dropping the gloves.

All that being said, I can't remember if Shelley was ever on the ice at the same time, so it could have been Lavy just not putting Shelley in the best situation to succeed.
- wilsonecho91

There was nothing out of the ordinary going on last night. It was just Hockey and one player trying to compete when his team was getting shellacked. Players son't police the League anymore. With the instigator rules in place, and how the League is, an enforcer isn't going to stop a player like Clutterbuck from playing his game. And as you also related. An enforcer doesn't have free reign. The Coach has to put him out there to do something.

Teemu will be a Flyer by the TDL.

It was clear as day to me and the 6 teammates I watched it with...
- jak521

This means absolutely nothing to me if you can't come up with a clear cut example.

I asked you what running our players means. Your example only gives 3 chances of running a players, so don't see how it can happen all night.
- Schenn2shine

I gave examples of how it happened. There were very late hits.. all night long. Briere never touched a puck but a guy ran him anyway (1st period). Clutterbuck takes a run at Carle with 2 seconds left in the 2nd when it was obvious no play was being made (2nd period). He runs Talbot and then tries to forearm shiver him on the Jake goal (3rd period). I gave you examples from three different periods.. there were also other instances that happened through out other portions of the game. I am not going to type out every single instance.. it would take too long.

If you didnt see it than I will not be able to explain. But I have played my entire life.. and I know running when I see it (or do it).

This means absolutely nothing to me if you can't come up with a clear cut example.
- Schenn2shine

Ive given ample examples that you can continue to dismiss.

That kinda ties into what i'm saying about his cap hit.
- JoeRussomanno

if a trade was presented for a dman and they needed 1 million in cap space to make the deal which would really help them.....and Shelley was the solution, I think they would waive him. I don't think he stops them from making a move thusly I don't think he hurts the cap. that said, like I said, still want Rinaldo, Harry Z or evern wellwood etc playing over him.

wait. (frank)! you were being sarcastic about shelley being good about something
- jak521

Still obviously missing the point.

It doesn't have to be an enforcer to handle it, but if you have one, and he's dressed, he should. The game wasn't close, no reason that Clutterbuck wasn't asked to tango.
- Jsaquella

that's what i'm talking about. Geez Briere has as many fights as shelley.

I asked what the difference is between running players and hitting them was. I was then given an example that doesn't make sense as to how it could happen all night long. If you can't clarify with anthing outside of "It happened all night". I don't know what to tell you either.
- Schenn2shine

The difference is in the intent. Whats the point of going after a guy well after he has gotten rid of the puck. Whats the point of hitting a guy when he is obviously holding the puck behind his own net for the last two seconds. Whats the point in hitting Briere when he never touched the puck? Whats the point of trying to demolish then forearm shiver Talbot?

Is that sufficient?