Whos job is it? If Shelley is dressed what is his role?
- stveshdy

Who's job would it have been if Shelley wasn't playing last night? Everyone is all for team toughness but where is the team toughness if your expecting one player to be it? Everyone is complaining that Clutterbuck ran Danny Briere. Well news flash, Shelley doesn't play on a line with Danny Briere. As pointed out by MJL, Shelley and Clutterbuck were never on the ice at the same time and if they were, it was only by seconds. Shelley would still have to get to Clutterbuck in order for a showdown to happen.

There's been plenty of spontaneous fights. But teams sending an enforcer out to fight a non enforcer. I don't know. It be easy to find out. Who are the enforcers still left in the League?
- MJL

http://www.hockeyfights.com/
have at it.

Who's job would it have been if Shelley wasn't playing last night? Everyone is all for team toughness but where is the team toughness if your expecting one player to be it? Everyone is complaining that Clutterbuck ran Danny Briere. Well news flash, Shelley doesn't play on a line with Danny Briere. As pointed out by MJL, Shelley and Clutterbuck were never on the ice at the same time and if they were, it was only by seconds. Shelley would still have to get to Clutterbuck in order for a showdown to happen.
- Schenn2shine

I would expect Rinaldo to step up if Shelley wasnt dressed. Once again you assume that Shelley has to fight Clutterbuck.

Just answer the (frank)ing question

Wife scored me some tickets to the AHL All Star Game.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/
have at it.
- JoeRussomanno

Joe, I've brought my share of factual information to the conversation. Including looking at the TOI ice charts and Clutterbuck's fighting record. Others have to chip in and bring some facts.

I would expect Rinaldo to step up if Shelley wasnt dressed.
- stveshdy

you answer his question and he won't answer ours. I'm done i'm not gonna have a discussion when the question on what is the guy's purpose is answered with well isn't there anyone else?

Wife scored me some tickets to the AHL All Star Game.
- Jsaquella

Nice. Where are your seats at?

I guess as long as Shelley is around, this discussion will be. I've tried to supply some facts and shed light on what really happened.
- MJL

Facts?

They were far from facts...

I would expect Rinaldo to step up if Shelley wasnt dressed. Once again your assume that Shelley has to fight Clutterbuck.
- stveshdy

I'm not assuming, I've been going by what many have been saying. This is a prime example where the story gets switched because Shelley's name is the one that keeps getting thrown around as the guy who should have challenged him.

Who's job would it have been if Shelley wasn't playing last night? Everyone is all for team toughness but where is the team toughness if your expecting one player to be it? Everyone is complaining that Clutterbuck ran Danny Briere. Well news flash, Shelley doesn't play on a line with Danny Briere. As pointed out by MJL, Shelley and Clutterbuck were never on the ice at the same time and if they were, it was only by seconds. Shelley would still have to get to Clutterbuck in order for a showdown to happen.
- Schenn2shine

Nobody ran Briere either. He was hit with an open ice check when the puck wasn't there. It should have been an interference penalty, but it was nothing more then that.

Nice. Where are your seats at?
- stveshdy

Upper level, just to the right of the net.

Boardwalk Hall is unique for hockey. One end has limited seating. Saw a handful of ECHL games there.

Facts?

They were far from facts...
- archion113

I gave exact facts. Including when players were on the ice together. All I got from you is goals and assists, and posts like this. I'm not interested in a discussion like this. Again, make a point. If you have a counter argument, bring it and we'll discuss it.

I'm not assuming, I've been going by what many have been saying. This is a prime example where the story gets switched because Shelley's name is the one that keeps getting thrown around as the guy who should have challenged him.
- Schenn2shine

I dont think Shelley has to fight or go after Clutterbuck if he isnt on the ice. But you better believe he should make his presence known on the ice with physical play and mixing it up, whether that turns into yapping or fighting would be determined by the opponent.

I gave exact facts. Including when players were on the ice together. All I got from you is goals and assists, and posts like this. I'm not interested in a discussion like this. Again, make a point. If you have a counter argument, bring it and we'll discuss it.
- MJL

I"m not talking about the clutterbuck thing.

Was talking about Shelley being a legit NHL player.

Sorry for confusion

Upper level, just to the right of the net.

Boardwalk Hall is unique for hockey. One end has limited seating. Saw a handful of ECHL games there.
- Jsaquella

Good stuff. Any Phantoms in the game?

Nobody ran Briere either. He was hit with an open ice check when the puck wasn't there. It should have been an interference penalty, but it was nothing more then that.
- MJL

To be honest, I watched the game without sound last night. All I saw was Voracek get clutched and grabbed a tone last night and it got let go a lot. I saw Meszaros throw a huge hit behind the net that the Wild took offense to. There were plenty of hitting but nothing that made me scream to the high heavens of how unfair a specific hit was.

I"m not talking about the clutterbuck thing.

Was talking about Shelley being a legit NHL player.

Sorry for confusion
- archion113

He is a legit NHL player. He has played in the League for a Decade. That is the only fact needed to support that he's a legitimate NHL player. And he played last night and played well.

Joe, I've brought my share of factual information to the conversation. Including looking at the TOI ice charts and Clutterbuck's fighting record. Others have to chip in and bring some facts.
- MJL

I got better things to do than go through that rubbage read this then
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16383129

He is a legit NHL player. He has played in the League for a Decade. That is the only fact needed to support that he's a legitimate NHL player. And he played last night and played well.
- MJL

If those are your facts... then i'm pretty sure you lost this argument

I dont think Shelley has to fight or go after Clutterbuck if he isnt on the ice. But you better believe he should make his presence known on the ice with physical play and mixing it up, whether that turns into yapping or fighting would be determined by the opponent.
- stveshdy

I can't disagree with you at all on this. I can't even explain to you how much I agree with you.

I can't disagree with you at all on this. I can't even explain to you how much I agree with you.
- Schenn2shine

I think thats whats trying to be said here today. Atleast the way I see it.

If those are your facts... then i'm pretty sure you lost this argument
- archion113

Again, no substance here. Nothing showing how I'm wrong. You don't even have to be a Hockey fan or have ever watched a Hockey game in your life to know that if a player has played in the NHL for a decade, and is currently still on an NHL team, then he is a legit NHL player

I think thats whats trying to be said here today. Atleast the way I see it.
- stveshdy

I saw Shelley throwing the body a few times though.

Good stuff. Any Phantoms in the game?
- stveshdy

Yep. Just one as of right now. Leighton is starting. Couple of interesting kids playing too...Calvin de Haan, Simon Despres, Thomas Hickey, Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne are scheduled to play, among others.

My daughter's been bugging me to go to a game, and I haven't been able to drop the cash on Flyers tickets for her, plus the road trips have made it hard to find a non school night where I am not working.