sorry if someone posted this article before -
http://www.canescountry.c...e-has-history-on-its-side

i wouldn't do this.
- wilsonecho91

I hate that deal.
Gleason is another guy who is UFA after this season.

I really want to see Voracek extended and play here.
He has skill and a good work ethic.

@HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
#Flyers are close to making a trade for an offensive D-man. URGENT need for someone to play the point on PP. Could be done this week.
- griouxmvp2012

Offensive D?

Weber, Suter, J.Johnson, Streit? Who else could it be?

HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
(cont) when I am meeting with a source close to the #Leafs organization, Should have update around 8-9 PM ET. #Leafs #Flyers
3 minutes ago
Hockeyy Insiderr
HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
The #Flyers are looking hard at a deal with the #Leafs, however it would not be for Franson. I will have more on this tonight (cont)
4 minutes ago
Hockeyy Insiderr
HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
Yes, #Flyers are close to a trade for a d-man. But no, Franson is not on their radar despite #Leafs and Flyers being good trade partners.

I doubt it's today, if at all. We have a game tonight.
- Schenn2shine

Homer isn't lacing them up; the trade can certainly still happen.

I hate that deal.
Gleason is another guy who is UFA after this season.

I really want to see Voracek extended and play here.
He has skill and a good work ethic.
- Marc D

DNFlyers Frank Seravalli
Negotiations are in beginning stages with Voracek contract. But what can he expect to get paid? A look at comparables:
http://www.philly.com/phi...ceks-cap-comparables.html

Why pose that question? Look no further than our actual #1, Pronger, being out. Though our defense suffers, we are still able to compete and stay in 4th for the conference. I'm not saying Giroux is more valuable than Pronger or vice versa, but JVR+Schenn+draft picks for Weber is an overpayment. Both of those guys are future 1st liners; no reason why you would trade all of that for a Weber, who although is a top defenseman, is showing that he doesn't want to stay in Nashville.
- steelydan

I am not counting Pronger in any scenerio. I personally think his career is finished, and I would hope for his sake he thinks the same. Therefore Timonen, as he is now is your #1 d-man. So I do believe a question like "what would be a bigger blow, losing Giroux or Timonen for 30 games? Is a valid question".

JVR and Schenn are far from being pegged as future 1st liners. Weber is already an established top 3 dman in the league in his prime.

You have a chance to get a guy like that, who can be here for the rest of his career, you do it. Guys like that win you cups. Flyers can lose some depth up front.

Homer isn't lacing them up; the trade can certainly still happen.
- steelydan

They traded Forsberg during a game.

I hate that deal.
Gleason is another guy who is UFA after this season.

I really want to see Voracek extended and play here.
He has skill and a good work ethic.
- Marc D

Agree that is horrible... I might think about Simmonds, but not Voracek...

Let me come at you from a different angle.

If you trade JvR and Schenn for Weber. Shelley plays every single night.
- Schenn2shine

They could always trade for a depth forward using a pick if they really wanted to in this scenario.

So let me get this straight. Your were ok with trading lupul, sbisa, and 2 firsts for a 34 year old pronger... but you think trading schenn and jvr plus a second for a 26 year old Weber is a bad deal?

Weber at 26 MIGHT be slightly less valuable then Pronger at 34 in pure hockey skills, but if Weber plays here for the next 10 years then its a win big time...
- RooNosHockey

This is what I'm telling you.

The season before Pronger was traded here, Lupul was made expendable by Claude Giroux. Giroux wasn't a full time player when Lupul was still playing here, Giroux was being worked into the line up and playing on the 3rd line. By moving Lupul, Giroux was able to move up.

You have to consider what was going on at the time.

Flyers need to stay out of the penalty box tonight.

The Isles first power play unit is very good.

Flyers need to stay out of the penalty box tonight.

The Isles first power play unit is very good.
- Marc D

I want the Flyers to smack those bums around. #thisisourbarn

Homer isn't lacing them up; the trade can certainly still happen.
- steelydan

I think it's highly unlikely. If it did, I'm sure it could be after the game tonight.

Why pose that question? Look no further than our actual #1, Pronger, being out. Though our defense suffers, we are still able to compete and stay in 4th for the conference. I'm not saying Giroux is more valuable than Pronger or vice versa, but JVR+Schenn+draft picks for Weber is an overpayment. Both of those guys are future 1st liners; no reason why you would trade all of that for a Weber, who although is a top defenseman, is showing that he doesn't want to stay in Nashville.
- steelydan

If Weber really didn't want to be in Nashville he'd have pulled a Turris on them. He has every right to not sign a long term deal that pushes him into his UFA years if he so chooses. I don't think him not wanting to stay in Nashville (we don't know if this is true anyways) would have any bearing on the Flyers wanting him.

They could always trade for a depth forward using a pick if they really wanted to in this scenario.
- eayost

Sure they could but why give up JvR and Schenn and manage to get back a 4th liner in return? We have a strong 4th line right now but now people want to break that up? Why?

I am not counting Pronger in any scenerio. I personally think his career is finished, and I would hope for his sake he thinks the same. Therefore Timonen, as he is now is your #1 d-man. So I do believe a question like "what would be a bigger blow, losing Giroux or Timonen for 30 games? Is a valid question".

JVR and Schenn are far from being pegged as future 1st liners. Weber is already an established top 3 dman in the league in his prime.

You have a chance to get a guy like that, who can be here for the rest of his career, you do it. Guys like that win you cups. Flyers can lose some depth up front.
- flyer_nutter

My point is that Pronger is our #1 until he comes off the books. Then the conversation can be played differently. But if you ask me: "Would I rather lose Pronger and Timonen, or Giroux", its a no brainer.

Truth be told, Pronger's future will likely be decided in the off-season. From there, we'll know if he's going to retire (or rather stay on LTIR for the remainder of the contracT), or if he'll be good to play. From there, we can readjust the team and have a new number 1 defenseman, or number 2.

DNFlyers Frank Seravalli
Negotiations are in beginning stages with Voracek contract. But what can he expect to get paid? A look at comparables:
http://www.philly.com/phi...ceks-cap-comparables.html
- funmaster18

That is an interesting article but he mixes in guys like Laich/Leino who were UFA and get overpaid compared to RFA types.

I think 2.5-2.75M/yr for 3 years would be awesome for Czeckie the Beast.
Homer might offer a bit more ~12 M for 4 years, I'd love that too.

2012 Winter Classic cash split troubles NHL alumni

http://www.thestar.com/sp...split-troubles-nhl-alumni
- tangent_man

I couldn't care less if the Alumni receive one red cent, but for the NHL using the exucuse of "This is still new to us" is completely laughable. I'd love to see what would happen to me if I go into a board meeting with my President and CEO and use that excuse???

@HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
#Flyers are close to making a trade for an offensive D-man. URGENT need for someone to play the point on PP. Could be done this week.
- griouxmvp2012

For me they need more of a stay at home physical guy..

I like Schenn but I think Burke overvalues his players. The media helps him big time with it.

If it is indeed Schenn, which is just a guess by me I'd like to see him paired with Kimmo. The kid needs a mentor just like Subban in Montreal.

Either way, Schenn isn't an offensive d-man so this post may be useless

Agree that is horrible... I might think about Simmonds, but not Voracek...
- RooNosHockey

Simmonds is not going anywhere.

That is an interesting article but he mixes in guys like Laich/Leino who were UFA and get overpaid compared to RFA types.

I think 2.5-2.75M/yr for 3 years would be awesome for Czeckie the Beast.
Homer might offer a bit more ~12 M for 4 years, I'd love that too.
- Marc D

I don't want him going anywhere. He looks close to taking it to the next level.

I want the Flyers to smack those bums around. #thisisourbarn
- funmaster18

Win and then destroy them.

How many breakaways will Grabner have tonight?
He has rocket skates.

I could care less if the Alumni receive one red cent, but for the NHL using the exucuse of "This is still new to us" is completely laughable. I'd love to see what would happen to me if I go into a board meeting with my President and CEO and use that excuse???
- flyguy12

Yeah why should the performers get paid

Sure they could but why give up JvR and Schenn and manage to get back a 4th liner in return? We have a strong 4th line right now but now people want to break that up? Why?
- Schenn2shine

Because some people think getting a bonafide perennial Norris candidate in his prime is worth those losses, and sets the team up better over the course of the next 5+ years. Well, I can't speak for them, but that's what I'm assuming they're thinking.

@HockeyyInsiderr Hockeyy Insiderr
#Flyers are close to making a trade for an offensive D-man. URGENT need for someone to play the point on PP. Could be done this week.
- griouxmvp2012

streit anyone??