I'm all for getting Weber if you find another way to do it. JvR and Schenn projected as being front line players. How will you feel once Weber is 37 and in the position Pronger is now and JvR and Schenn are on other teams putting up Giroux points? Mostly against us like Patrick Sharp, all because we dived head first into a Bobby Clarke type of trade.
- Schenn2shine

Offense is great but teams don't win championships without a #1 defenseman.

Trading Schenn and JVR for Weber is nothing close to the trade Clarkie made for Sharp.

Weber is one of the best d-men in all of the league. If the Preds say they want Schenn, JVR and a 2nd round pick for Weber, I think, the Flyers would have to seriously consider it.

It is never easy to trade young guys like Schenn and JVR but to get a #1 d-man you have to consider it.

It's relative. Pronger is our number one because he is getting paid to be our #1 and his status for next year is undecided. I'm sure it will likely be decided in the off-season. At that point, we can say: "Pronger is coming back and is our #1"; or, "Pronger is LTIR and Timonen is our #1, but we have 5+M to spend on someone like Suter, etc., so we may have a different #1".
- steelydan

Timonen is getting paid more, so maybe Timonen is our Number 1 and Pronger is our number 2.....

I think about it this way. The team who gets the best player usually wins the deal.

When Pronger was traded for people were freaking out because we just lost depth, and quality young players along with solid picks.

Pronger nearly brought this team a cup. If the Flyers dont make that deal they damn well arent making it to the finals. You have to take some risks, and JVR/Schenn, as promising as they might be. Have really proven jack poop when compared to a guy like Weber.
- flyer_nutter

I didn't freak out when we traded for Pronger. The deal made sense.

There is no way of knowing this.
- Schenn2shine

Just like there is no way of knowing JVR and Schenn are going to be putting in gobs of goals in 10 years...

You are downplaying JVR's stature. How is the guy a maybe? Because he's struggling with groin issues? He showed us in the playoffs what he can look like at full health and ready for the playoff run...
- steelydan

Im looking at him realistically.

He had a hot stretch in the playoffs. Just like Leino before him.

I think JVR is a solid NHL player who may become a solid 1st line winger. Will he ever be the game changer that Weber is? Or do it as consistently? I doubt it.

I dont like to overvalue players even if they are on the team I cheer for. Thats what lead Toronto to the poopter and whats happening in Montreal. JVR to me at this point in his career is still a maybe.

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Offense is great but teams don't win championships without a #1 defenseman.

Trading Schenn and JVR for Weber is nothing close to the trade Clarkie made for Sharp.

Weber is one of the best d-men in all of the league. If the Preds say they want Schenn, JVR and a 2nd round pick for Weber, I think, the Flyers would have to seriously consider it.

It is never easy to trade young guys like Schenn and JVR but to get a #1 d-man you have to consider it.
- ggunky

Kimmo Timonen is a number 1 defenseman.

No, trading JvR and Schenn isn't like trading Sharp. It's like trading Peter Forsberg when we drafted him and like 7 other players with cash, for Eric Lindros.

Timonen is getting paid more, so maybe Timonen is our Number 1 and Pronger is our number 2.....
- RooNosHockey

Feel free to stray from the point. If you weren't understanding the overall point from my post, feel free to re-read or ask for clarification.

Offense is great but teams don't win championships without a #1 defenseman.

Trading Schenn and JVR for Weber is nothing close to the trade Clarkie made for Sharp.

Weber is one of the best d-men in all of the league. If the Preds say they want Schenn, JVR and a 2nd round pick for Weber, I think, the Flyers would have to seriously consider it.

It is never easy to trade young guys like Schenn and JVR but to get a #1 d-man you have to consider it.
- ggunky

I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. or faster if I could.

You are downplaying JVR's stature. How is the guy a maybe? Because he's struggling with groin issues? He showed us in the playoffs what he can look like at full health and ready for the playoff run...
- steelydan

I can count the number of games that he dominated the opposition on my hands... There are many more games that he hasnt. I like JVR, but if he is trade bait for Weber... fine by me...

There is no way of knowing if we'll win a cup just by trading for Weber. If we trade for Weber and suddenly Weber gets a head like Crosby because of his rough style, then what? We could have handed Nashville a number of Cup because we sent JvR and Schenn the other way. Look no further then the Eric Lindros deal from Quebec.
- Schenn2shine

I thought those kind of caveats are a given for any type of deal. Why make any deal then if you're hypothetically thinking the guy/guys you get back are doing to turn into vegatables?

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- wilsonecho91

Nasty.

Just like there is no way of knowing JVR and Schenn are going to be putting in gobs of goals in 10 years...
- RooNosHockey

You're kidding me, right? Schenn and JvR will be great players in the NHL. The fact is Schenn is a rookie, who we'd be giving up on way too soon and JvR was drafted second to Patrick Kane. We haven't seen JvR's skill every night like we did in the playoffs but the potential is obviously there.

I can count the number of games that he dominated the opposition on my hands... There are many more games that he hasnt. I like JVR, but if he is trade bait for Weber... fine by me...
- RooNosHockey

I don't mind JVR or Schenn being the centerpiece to a trade for Weber. But both? No thanks. I'd rather grab Suter in the offseason.

If they win a cup or two by the time he's 37 I don't think anyone would care what Schenn and JVR are doing.
- eayost

I would only trade JVR...To me hes had 6 games where hes played to his full potential.

I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. or faster if I could.
- wilsonecho91

As long as the Flyers could negotiate a deal with him before hand, I would too.

I don't mind JVR or Schenn being the centerpiece to a trade for Weber. But both? No thanks. I'd rather grab Suter in the offseason.
- steelydan

Exactly. Trading both together would be a stupid deal.

Here's one thing that I haven't heard anyone comment on. What we really need from Nashville is their defensive scouting director.

Timmonen
Hamhuis
Weber
Suter

Go get the individual that drafted these studs and put them in charge of Flyers scouting.

Kimmo Timonen is a number 1 defenseman.

No, trading JvR and Schenn isn't like trading Sharp. It's like trading Peter Forsberg when we drafted him and like 7 other players with cash, for Eric Lindros.
- Schenn2shine

Not to get personal, but comparing JVR or even Schenn to Forsberg/Lindros is batpoop insane.

Weber is a defensemen, a much more valuable position.

While kimmo is a #1, and has played great this year, how much longer do you think he can keep playing that way? I would not feel comfortable with replacing him in a couple of years knowing they could have already had a guy like Weber in orange and black.

This isnt trading JVR for Selanne.

You're kidding me, right? Schenn and JvR will be great players in the NHL. The fact is Schenn is a rookie, who we'd be giving up on way too soon and JvR was drafted second to Patrick Kane. We haven't seen JvR's skill every night like we did in the playoffs but the potential is obviously there.
- Schenn2shine

Apparently it doesn't matter. Potential = maybe. A few good games = maybe. Having the team sign you to a 6-year deal = maybe. Trading your franchise center for a top prospect = maybe.

Either way these guys wanna downplay what we have seen/know about JVR/Schenn, they will continue to call them maybes. The team is young and getting younger. Why lose 2 potential 1st liners for a #1 defenseman? There is free agency, drafting, etc....

You're kidding me, right? Schenn and JvR will be great players in the NHL. The fact is Schenn is a rookie, who we'd be giving up on way too soon and JvR was drafted second to Patrick Kane. We haven't seen JvR's skill every night like we did in the playoffs but the potential is obviously there.
- Schenn2shine

1. They MIGHT be great.
2. Weber is ALREADY great.
3. We already have Couturier, Giroux, Read, Simmonds, and Voracek... all under 25.
4. Pronger might never play again, Timonen might retire after next season, and we might not have Carle back.

We wouldnt be giving up on anything. We would be trading potential stars for a current star. Schenn and JVR could go on to be future hall of famers, but that wont matter to Flyers fans if Weber comes here and wins the cup.

Kimmo Timonen is a number 1 defenseman.

No, trading JvR and Schenn isn't like trading Sharp. It's like trading Peter Forsberg when we drafted him and like 7 other players with cash, for Eric Lindros.
- Schenn2shine

Kimmo is without a doubt a #1 but he is getting to the downside of his career. Weber would be a perfect replacement.

And comparing trading 2 guys and a pick to trading 5+ guys and cash, i don't get your math...

Apparently it doesn't matter. Potential = maybe. A few good games = maybe. Having the team sign you to a 6-year deal = maybe. Trading your franchise center for a top prospect = maybe.

Either way these guys wanna downplay what we have seen/know about JVR/Schenn, they will continue to call them maybes. The team is young and getting younger. Why lose 2 potential 1st liners for a #1 defenseman? There is free agency, drafting, etc....
- steelydan

Because good offensive players are easier to find than stud number 1 defensemen. I still wouldn't trade Schenn AND JVR for a guy that isn't signed beyond this year, but that's the logic.

Apparently it doesn't matter. Potential = maybe. A few good games = maybe. Having the team sign you to a 6-year deal = maybe. Trading your franchise center for a top prospect = maybe.

Either way these guys wanna downplay what we have seen/know about JVR/Schenn, they will continue to call them maybes. The team is young and getting younger. Why lose 2 potential 1st liners for a #1 defenseman? There is free agency, drafting, etc....
- steelydan

Giroux was a maybe once. Giroux wasn't drafted high in his class. We couldn't even remember his name at the draft. Now look at him.

1. They MIGHT be great.
2. Weber is ALREADY great.
3. We already have Couturier, Giroux, Read, Simmonds, and Voracek... all under 25.
4. Pronger might never play again, Timonen might retire after next season, and we might not have Carle back.

We wouldnt be giving up on anything. We would be trading potential stars for a current star. Schenn and JVR could go on to be future hall of famers, but that wont matter to Flyers fans if Weber comes here and wins the cup.
- RooNosHockey

It's a very strong argument. Weber is worth it, if he's guaranteed to be signed for a long time. I don't like the idea of giving up that much for someone you need to negotiate with.