If you can't consider taking another route to get Weber other then the 2 players mentioned, you're crazy.
- Schenn2shine

who would you consider?

They want to sign both of them long term. The hold up with Weber isn't cash, it's Weber wanting to be sure he doesn't get stuck on a long term deal with a team that will always be cannon fodder in the early rounds of the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

Weber belongs in the Eastern Conference wearing O&B. JvR, Schenn, pick for Weber, im convinced lets get it done.

They want to sign both of them long term. The hold up with Weber isn't cash, it's Weber wanting to be sure he doesn't get stuck on a long term deal with a team that will always be cannon fodder in the early rounds of the playoffs.
- Jsaquella

I know but I thought they were cash strapped and couldn't afford both at 7 mill a year?

If you can't consider taking another route to get Weber other then the 2 players mentioned, you're crazy.
- Schenn2shine

I'd rather keep the other players...

Giroux? No.
Jagr? They don't want.
Hartnell? NTC
Briere? NMC
Simmonds? Not enough potential to be centerpiece of trade for weber
Coots? Hell no.
Talbot? Nope.
Read? Calder trophy baby!

Shelley? Nashville just hung up the phone.

I went a little over the top making a point, that being that just because a teams fans overvalue certain players doesn't mean NHL GMs do. No way in hell Tambi trades Eberle AND Hall..this years 1st would just be the icing on big cake of stupid. It would make edmonton's defence better while eviscerating the offence.
- GuyLaDouche

I understood the point you were trying to make. I think the Flyers are in a position where they could withstand the losses of JVR and a Schenn for Weber (if Nashville would even consider such a deal) in the short-term.

But there's not much more in the pipeline right now that projects as a top-6 forward. Flyers need to be taking advantage of having skilled forwards on their ELC's, not trading them away. Even for Weber.

Note that he mentioned JVR's contract. He means, I'm sure, you don't move onto a long-term deal before a guy is getting close to UFA status unless he's shown you he's earned it. I'm guessing he feels the long-term deal on JVR was premature and going for a shorter-term, or even 1-year deal when you'll still control the rights at the end would have been wiser, in his opinion.
- bodiva88

The problem is for some reason the NHL has eliminated the middle level contract. Players are going from thier EL level deals straight into 4-5 M a year deals. If you remember with a player such as Gagne, he had to go a number of years after his EL deal to get into that 5M a year range. So from that respect I agree. But it doesn't seem like it happens.

so is JVR going to join the bust pile with carter?

who would you consider?
- jak521

Shelley, Walker, Leighton, Rathje and a 5th round pick should work

If you wouldn't do JVR, Schenn, and a 2nd for Weber your crazy...

Weber is a franchise dman... he's a beast in every zone on the ice... guys like him come around one in a blue moon...

JVR and Schenn come around every year...
- archion113

JVR AND Schenn is way too steep

The problem is for some reason the NHL has eliminated the middle level contract. Players are going from thier EL level deals straight into 4-5 M a year deals. If you remember with a player such as Gagne, he had to go a number of years after his EL deal to get into that 5M a year range. So from that respect I agree. But it doesn't seem like it happens.
- MJL

You know.. i have noticed that as well... its like the middle contract is build into the long term contract...

So players go from EL contracts and low expectations.. to huge contracts and huge expectations

I know but I thought they were cash strapped and couldn't afford both at 7 mill a year?
- JoeRussomanno

They have a budget, but they have given every indication that they want to keep both, at almost any cost.

However, the word I heard was that both want to stay, as long as the Preds will take the next step to be a more serious contender.

That's why I think that if it comes down to it, they will try to shoot the moon with one or both of them if they can not work out a deal. Especially Weber.

so is JVR going to join the bust pile with carter?
- 2Real

I would be giddy if JVR put up "bust" numbers like Carter.

JVR AND Schenn is way too steep
- 2Real

For Weber?

I love you bro, but your snuts.

If you can't consider taking another route to get Weber other then the 2 players mentioned, you're crazy.
- Schenn2shine

Really? What other route would you suggest? Other teams could certainly offer better packages. what do you think might land him from a different route?

Sent to AHL on conditioning stint. Rumor is he's not happy with lack of playing time.
- Jsaquella

He should work on staying healthier, then.

As an aside, if this were three years ago, there would be no complaints of Nitty against Atlanta like there are Bob against NYI.

I would be giddy if JVR put up "bust" numbers like Carter.
- MBFlyerfan

JVR already has more goals than carter this year

The problem is for some reason the NHL has eliminated the middle level contract. Players are going from thier EL level deals straight into 4-5 M a year deals. If you remember with a player such as Gagne, he had to go a number of years after his EL deal to get into that 5M a year range. So from that respect I agree. But it doesn't seem like it happens.
- MJL

Happens in most sports with a salary cap. You have stars and guys that project to being stars getting huge paydays, and then you have lower paid guys and middle of the road vets.

For Weber?

I love you bro, but your snuts.
- archion113

um yea JVR and Schenn could both be something to build a team around

I'd rather keep the other players...

Giroux? No.
Jagr? They don't want.
Hartnell? NTC
Briere? NMC
Simmonds? Not enough potential to be centerpiece of trade for weber
Coots? Hell no.
Talbot? Nope.
Read? Calder trophy baby!

Shelley? Nashville just hung up the phone.
- archion113

Ryan for the calder. I guess when you dream this late in the season, you dream big. Nashville could want Getzlef, Perry or Ryan for Weber and that could work easily.

He should work on staying healthier, then.

As an aside, if this were three years ago, there would be no complaints of Nitty against Atlanta like there are Bob against NYI.
- Flyskippy

Well, because everyone knows that if Nitty was the back-up, there's no way he'd be the starter.

Happens in most sports with a salary cap. You have stars and guys that project to being stars getting huge paydays, and then you have lower paid guys and middle of the road vets.
- Jsaquella

Seems like a good time to say I hate the cap.

um yea JVR and Schenn could both be something to build a team around
- 2Real

I haven't seen enough from either of them to think that they could be a franchise player.

But you said it your self... they COULD be...

Weber IS already someone you build your team around.

They have a budget, but they have given every indication that they want to keep both, at almost any cost.

However, the word I heard was that both want to stay, as long as the Preds will take the next step to be a more serious contender.

That's why I think that if it comes down to it, they will try to shoot the moon with one or both of them if they can not work out a deal. Especially Weber.
- Jsaquella

Nashville has 14.5 million in cap space right now. That tells me all I want to know about how much they want to "take the next step".

Ryan for the calder. I guess when you dream this late in the season, you dream big. Nashville could want Getzlef, Perry or Ryan for Weber and that could work easily.
- Schenn2shine

I thought we were talking about the Flyers and Nashville...

I don't understand what just happened...

Well, because everyone knows that if Nitty was the back-up, there's no way he'd be the starter.
- Jsaquella

I remember the goalie wars (similar to this year's) where people would ally themselves with Nitty against Esche or against Biron. Then I get to wondering why the two guys wear the same team's jersey...