The problem with Shelley is that with games like this he isn't going to play when it gets out of hand.

Simmonds looked good with Couturier and read.

The spell is finally broken, it just took years and years and years... Very exciting game with two fabulous goalies!

Im not touching that with a 1000 foot pole















Bryz is 10x better paid
- bigmookalookie

Can't argue with that.

Its time for them to use that roster spot on one of the Phantoms
- JoeRussomanno

I don't even really blame him. Laviolette isn't exactly using him like that and when he is out there, nobody wants to fight him.

He doesn't prevent anyone from getting hit. That's kind of my problem. If you have an enforcer, that's kind of his job. To prevent guys from getting hit or to at least get retribution when it happens.

Shelley and his lone fight aren't providing that service right now.
- Jsaquella

You and I both know that's not how it works. An enforcer has never stopped anyone from being hit. This is no different from the last game when Shelley was blamed for Clutterbuck hitting people. And I'll repeat the same. An enforcer doesn't have carte blanche to seek retribution. Flyers are losing in the game and down 2-0 or 3-0 and Shelley should go out and jump someone? It's mind boggling to me that with the performance of the team tonight, that Shelley is being criticized.

You and I both know that's not how it works. An enforcer has never stopped anyone from being hit. This is no different from the last game when Shelley was blamed for Clutterbuck hitting people. And I'll repeat the same. An enforcer doesn't have carte blanche to seek retribution. Flyers are losing in the game and down 2-0 or 3-0 and Shelley should go out and jump someone? It's mind boggling to me that with the performance of the team tonight, that Shelley is being criticized.
- MJL

Carle sucks

Well Clement pretty much nailed some of the big problems with this team. Why don't the players understand it?

http://bleacherreport.com...nseman-no-one-talks-about

I don't even really blame him. Laviolette isn't exactly using him like that and when he is out there, nobody wants to fight him.
- Jsaquella

I'm suggesting they use the spot on one of the phantoms to see what they have in those guys. I'd like to see more of Holmstrom and some of Testwuide.

You and I both know that's not how it works. An enforcer has never stopped anyone from being hit. This is no different from the last game when Shelley was blamed for Clutterbuck hitting people. And I'll repeat the same. An enforcer doesn't have carte blanche to seek retribution. Flyers are losing in the game and down 2-0 or 3-0 and Shelley should go out and jump someone? It's mind boggling to me that with the performance of the team tonight, that Shelley is being criticized.
- MJL

see post above. Can't blame Shelley for anything other than being offensively inept. With games like tonight and the flyers are chasing the game Shelley is not going to play.
That's a waste of a spot if you ask me.
Couturier and read were two of the better forwards. They need a better linemate.

Night all. Get 4 points this weekend. Not sticking around for 20 pages of someone defending Shelley. That poop is beyond (frank)ing old.
- PLindbergh31

Yea because it totally makes sense to criticize Shelley in this game. Hell if Rinaldo was healthy and could've played, the Flyers probably would of won the game. All the issues that went on in that game, let's discuss Jody Shelley.

Hi guys, let's talk Flyers.

You and I both know that's not how it works. An enforcer has never stopped anyone from being hit. This is no different from the last game when Shelley was blamed for Clutterbuck hitting people. And I'll repeat the same. An enforcer doesn't have carte blanche to seek retribution. Flyers are losing in the game and down 2-0 or 3-0 and Shelley should go out and jump someone? It's mind boggling to me that with the performance of the team tonight, that Shelley is being criticized.
- MJL

You're taking it far too literally.

I have said, repeatedly, that you can't blame Shelley for it.

Unfortunately, it re-enforces my belief that carrying and dressing a limited enforcer is a dumb idea. It's easier to type Shelley than limited enforcer who isn;t going to play a regular shift over and over who nobody will fight.

I don't even really blame him. Laviolette isn't exactly using him like that and when he is out there, nobody wants to fight him.
- Jsaquella

Hai dude?

see post above. Can't blame Shelley for anything other than being offensively inept. With games like tonight and the flyers are chasing the game Shelley is not going to play.
That's a waste of a spot if you ask me.
Couturier and read were two of the better forwards. They need a better linemate.
- bird_dog

If Shelley is not playing, someone else is getting more icetime. Do you think Rinaldo would've seen the ice with the Flyers chasing the game all night? Only if the Coach chose to punish people and take away ice time.

You're taking it far too literally.

I have said, repeatedly, that you can't blame Shelley for it.

Unfortunately, it re-enforces my belief that carrying and dressing a limited enforcer is a dumb idea. It's easier to type Shelley than limited enforcer who isn;t going to play a regular shift over and over who nobody will fight.
- Jsaquella

I'm not taking it too literally. I've never disagreed with your belief. This is how the League is now.

You and I both know that's not how it works. An enforcer has never stopped anyone from being hit. This is no different from the last game when Shelley was blamed for Clutterbuck hitting people. And I'll repeat the same. An enforcer doesn't have carte blanche to seek retribution. Flyers are losing in the game and down 2-0 or 3-0 and Shelley should go out and jump someone? It's mind boggling to me that with the performance of the team tonight, that Shelley is being criticized.
- MJL

Shelley is a terrible hockey player, can't fight and has a cap hit of 1.1 mill. He will always be criticized and be the topic of many jokes as he should be. This team sucks and has many problems ...but we are stuck watching this garbage hockey, have no control over anything and can only sulk, be frustrated and bash Jody Shelley.

If Shelley is not playing, someone else is getting more icetime. Do you think Rinaldo would've seen the ice with the Flyers chasing the game all night? Only if the Coach chose to punish people and take away ice time.
- MJL

That's why I say use the roster spot on one of the phantoms who can play.

Yea because it totally makes sense to criticize Shelley in this game. Hell if Rinaldo was healthy and could've played, the Flyers probably would of won the game. All the issues that went on in that game, let's discuss Jody Shelley.
- MJL

there is fecal matter left in an abandoned tenement slum crack house that represented a greater effort than most of the flyers did tonite.

You're taking it far too literally.

I have said, repeatedly, that you can't blame Shelley for it.

Unfortunately, it re-enforces my belief that carrying and dressing a limited enforcer is a dumb idea. It's easier to type Shelley than limited enforcer who isn;t going to play a regular shift over and over who nobody will fight.
- Jsaquella

If the coach cant use him at times and when he can nobody wants to fight him then why roster an enforcer? Im not blaming Shelley tonight cause the team was horrible all over the place. It would be nice to give some of these younger guys (phantoms) a chance to gain experience.

If Shelley is not playing, someone else is getting more icetime. Do you think Rinaldo would've seen the ice with the Flyers chasing the game all night? Only if the Coach chose to punish people and take away ice time.
- MJL

Maybe Rinaldo plays with the regular 4th line shift. I'm not knocking Shelley. IMO that roster spot could be better utilized. Third line of Couturier, Read, and Simmonds looks good to me.

I'm not taking it too literally. I've never disagreed with your belief. This is how the League is now.
- MJL

What I mean is, don;t take it as me bagging on Shelley himself. I'm bagging on the logic behind having a guy whose role is dying out.

I'm also not even suggesting that Rinaldo would have played more. The entire team, with a few exceptions, played like poop tonight.

Bob was great, Talbot showed up, Couturier and Read were good...and Schenn had a nice back check. That's where the good pretty much hits the wall and ends.

That's why I say use the roster spot on one of the phantoms who can play.
- JoeRussomanno

And if that player was in the lineup, they would have played how much in this game?

there is fecal matter left in an abandoned tenement slum crack house that represented a greater effort than most of the flyers did tonite.
- isaiah520

That's hillarious #nosarcasmatall

If the coach cant use him at times and when he can nobody wants to fight him then why roster an enforcer? Im not blaming Shelley tonight cause the team was horrible all over the place. It would be nice to give some of these younger guys (phantoms) a chance to gain experience.
- stveshdy

That's kind of my point, although had Rinaldo been playing, I doubt he would have seen much more ice time than Shelley did.