How has it not been mentioned that Ryan Miller is now tied in total wins with the Dominator Hasek.. but Miller did it in 70 less games...
- MillerTime1130

Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

Cause Miller's had twice the the teams in front of him game in and out than Dom ever had.

Its a non issue for me. Hasek is top 5 of all time, Miller doesn't come into the conversation til 75-100 IMO, if at all.

We really have to stop comparing the two. Its not fair to either player.

Don't forget though - wins are easier to come by nowadays with the shootout.
- SabreSufferer

True... thats a valid argument..

Otherwise I don't think Brodeur would have caught up to Roy either..

people are also saying its harder to win now with the overpowering offensive teams

Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

Cause Miller's had twice the the teams in front of him game in and out than Dom ever had.

Its a non issue for me. Hasek is top 5 of all time, Miller doesn't come into the conversation til 75-100 IMO, if at all.

We really have to stop comparing the two. Its not fair to either player.
- dadeadhead

Now I did not watch all the games and what not when Hasek was a sabre.. But are you just biased to say that the team in front of Miller is twice as good?? Thats not saying much..

Now I did not watch all the games and what not when Hasek was a sabre.. But are you just biased to say that the team in front of Miller is twice as good?? Thats not saying much..
- MillerTime1130

Go in the Internet hockey database and look at the teams in front of dom and tell me he had equal talent around him compared to miller.

Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

Cause Miller's had twice the the teams in front of him game in and out than Dom ever had.

Its a non issue for me. Hasek is top 5 of all time, Miller doesn't come into the conversation til 75-100 IMO, if at all.

We really have to stop comparing the two. Its not fair to either player.
- dadeadhead

In my opinion, Hasek is the greatest goalie of all time, bar none.

For most of his career, Hasek carried average teams or worse. He never, as a Sabre, had a decent defense in front of him.

Brodeur had Scott Stevens. Roy had Chelios, and later Bourque. Hasek had Alexei Zhitnik.

[quote=dadeadhead]Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

So then we can say that if Miller gets 27 regulation time victories in the next 70 or so games than it is comparable??

True... thats a valid argument..

Otherwise I don't think Brodeur would have caught up to Roy either..

people are also saying its harder to win now with the overpowering offensive teams
- MillerTime1130

someone wins every game... i could see Jimmy Howard surpass alot of goalies on the alltime wins list..

In my opinion, Hasek is the greatest goalie of all time, bar none.

For most of his career, Hasek carried average teams or worse. He never, as a Sabre, had a decent defense in front of him.

Brodeur had Scott Stevens. Roy had Chelios, and later Bourque. Hasek had Alexei Zhitnik.
- SabreSufferer

Interesting argument.. I agree that is a large difference..

Goalies aren't only good for a star d-man.. Kippersauf had Regehr and Phaneuf

[quote=dadeadhead]Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

So then we can say that if Miller gets 27 regulation time victories in the next 70 or so games than it is comparable??
- MillerTime1130

In all fairness, Miller has had some pretty sad teams in front of him as well. The 2011-12 Sabres, for example.

[quote=dadeadhead]Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

So then we can say that if Miller gets 27 regulation time victories in the next 70 or so games than it is comparable??
- MillerTime1130

If I can say Dom gets 55 more wins do to his ties. Dom in a shootout would be unstoppable.

Its just not a fair comparison IMO for either guy.

someone wins every game... i could see Jimmy Howard surpass alot of goalies on the alltime wins list..
- SabresFaninIndiana

I could see that too...

Does this mean that in a few years... we will be able to say.. yea.. but Miller and Myers!!

Go in the Internet hockey database and look at the teams in front of dom and tell me he had equal talent around him compared to miller.
- dadeadhead

i just continue to refer to the fact that Varada was on the top line the year Hasek went to the SCF...

someone wins every game... i could see Jimmy Howard surpass alot of goalies on the alltime wins list..
- SabresFaninIndiana

Osgood has better numbers than Fuhr. He'll get in.

If I can say Dom gets 55 more wins do to his ties. Dom in a shootout would be unstoppable.

Its just not a fair comparison IMO for either guy.
- dadeadhead

the problem being Peca, ward and holzinger wouldn't be able to score on a wet paper bag goign the other way

Interesting argument.. I agree that is a large difference..

Goalies aren't only good for a star d-man.. Kippersauf had Regehr and Phaneuf
- MillerTime1130

Brodeur played for a borderline dynasty and really benefited from the trap style his team practically invented. That said, he is an all-time great.

Hasek is the one Sabre I will tell my grandkids about. There was no one else like him. He didn't have the trap to help him out or a team with any all-stars. He wore pads significantly smaller than what we see on goalies today. When the best offensive Sabre was Mike Peca, they still had a chance to win every night. Greatest Sabre of all-time (sorry Gil) and probably the greatest athlete the City of Buffalo has ever seen.

the problem being Peca, ward and holzinger wouldn't be able to score on a wet paper bag goign the other way
- SabresFaninIndiana

Id bet Mr hobey baker was a sneaky little (frank) when it came to a shootout.

Brodeur played for a borderline dynasty and really benefited from the trap style his team practically invented. That said, he is an all-time great.

Hasek is the one Sabre I will tell my grandkids about. There was no one else like him. He didn't have the trap to help him out or a team with any all-stars. He wore pads significantly smaller than what we see on goalies today. When the best offensive Sabre was Mike Peca, they still had a chance to win every night. Greatest Sabre of all-time (sorry Gil) and probably the greatest athlete the City of Buffalo has ever seen.
- SabreSufferer

I am not calling you a liar FYI... I am a huge Hasek fan as well..

In the old NHL games I would trade for him from his Czech team to back up Miller. I liked the guy a lot.

Id bet Mr hobey baker was a sneaky little (frank) when it came to a shootout.
- dadeadhead

the zinger was a sneaky bastard for sure.. he was just too fast for his own good

the zinger was a sneaky bastard for sure.. he was just too fast for his own good
- SabresFaninIndiana

He sure was.

the zinger was a sneaky bastard for sure.. he was just too fast for his own good
- SabresFaninIndiana

I find it humorous that for what SJ gave up for Thornton we gave up for Gratton.

I find it humorous that for what SJ gave up for Thornton we gave up for Gratton.
- dadeadhead

hilarious... i am laughing my arse off

Cause Hasek has 81 ties and Miller has 27 shootouts wins.

Cause Miller's had twice the the teams in front of him game in and out than Dom ever had.

Its a non issue for me. Hasek is top 5 of all time, Miller doesn't come into the conversation til 75-100 IMO, if at all.

We really have to stop comparing the two. Its not fair to either player.
- dadeadhead

way too one sided IMO

Yes, but i think we would rather have Leino and roy or stafford going for him.

Carter may make over 5 mil but he is a top line center and has scored 40 goals before. I think 5 mil could be a bargin compared to other guys that are #1 centers
- Cpilc

Common Cpilc you should know better, you are not allowed to like Jeff Carter and have an opinion of about anything hockey without deadheads approval.

Assuming his career lasts that long.
- cowmad152

His career will...he'll continue playing 23-40 games a season for a solid 25 years!

His career will...he'll continue playing 23-40 games a season for a solid 25 years!
- p_zub

I keep hearing of all these Leafs rumors when is Burkie gonna pull the trigger??