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Feb 3 @ 7:20 PM ET
so dreger claims that Burke is "desperate" to make a deal and will take a run at JVR...
ok, given that straight up for schenn is a non-starter, what do you think we could get for JVR? I'd rather not deal, but at some point, it might behoove holmger to act if the we could extract...who?
so dreger claims that Burke is "desperate" to make a deal and will take a run at JVR...
ok, given that straight up for schenn is a non-starter, what do you think we could get for JVR? I'd rather not deal, but at some point, it might behoove holmger to act if the we could extract...who? - isaiah520
I've read it. A lot of the changes he proposes would be good for the overall financial health of the League. He wants to change the formula of how the Cap Upper Limit is determined, by determining HRR differently. It would be good for some teams. But as a Flyers fan, it wouldn't be great, as the the Cap would likely go down significantly. And he offers this, to help team become Cap compliant. I post it as I think it would be an area that would be most of interest to people.
(k) “Compliance” Renegotiations. For the purpose of complying with the terms of this
Agreement, all Clubs shall have the ability to renegotiate any SPC with a Player, subject to
the following conditions:
(i) Only SPCs that commenced prior to the 2012-13 League Year shall be eligible for a
Compliance Renegotiation.
(ii) No Entry-Level SPC may be renegotiated.
(iii) Any renegotiated SPC must be jointly approved by the Player and his Club.
(iv)Any renegotiated SPC must adhere to the rules and provisions applying to all SPCs
as set forth in this Agreement and to Article 26.
(v) A renegotiated SPC may remove years from the original SPC or may remove
dollars in the aggregate from the SPC, but may not do both.
(vi)A Club that renegotiates an SPC shall make a payment to the Compliance
Renegotiation Fund equal to the amount of cap “savings” realized in the year(s)
renegotiated.
(vii) If the cap “savings” in (vi) above is less than $500,000 then the Club shall
make a payment to the Compliance Renegotiation Fund of $500,000.
(viii) No contract that is the result of a Compliance Renegotiation may be later
subject to a Normal Buyout pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC.
so dreger claims that Burke is "desperate" to make a deal and will take a run at JVR...
ok, given that straight up for schenn is a non-starter, what do you think we could get for JVR? I'd rather not deal, but at some point, it might behoove holmger to act if the we could extract...who? - isaiah520
Just from the Leafs? The problem is that there isn't much else that excites me from them. Keep in mind other then Colbourne or Kadri, I don't know a lot about their prospects. But neither of those two excite me, in a deal for JVR. So I don't know if there is a fit there.
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Feb 3 @ 7:45 PM ET
Just from the Leafs? The problem is that there isn't much else that excites me from them. Keep in mind other then Colbourne or Kadri, I don't know a lot about their prospects. But neither of those two excite me, in a deal for JVR. So I don't know if there is a fit there. - MJL
plus colbourne and Kadri play best at center. Gardner and aulie are decent prospects, but if we are talking JVR I don't think they are a great match for us either. there'd have to be a 1st rounder included and that doesn't help us for this yr unless we could flip it for another player
plus colbourne and Kadri play best at center. Gardner and aulie are decent prospects, but if we are talking JVR I don't think they are a great match for us either. there'd have to be a 1st rounder included and that doesn't help us for this yr unless we could flip it for another player - isaiah520
Schenn is definitely a player I'd like to acquire. But I don't know that JVR for him straight up is a good deal. And the consensus seems to be that it isn't.
Schenn is definitely a player I'd like to acquire. But I don't know that JVR for him straight up is a good deal. And the consensus seems to be that it isn't. - MJL
Luke Schenn being worth more or JvR being worth more? Personally I'm in the majority that says JvR is the better player in the deal.
Luke Schenn being worth more or JvR being worth more? Personally I'm in the majority that says JvR is the better player in the deal. - Schenn2shine
I would lean in that direction also. But I'm not in a position to say that it is 100% certain that's the case. I think were dealing with potential here, and that's a crapshoot.
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Feb 3 @ 7:57 PM ET
Schenn is definitely a player I'd like to acquire. But I don't know that JVR for him straight up is a good deal. And the consensus seems to be that it isn't. - MJL
no it wouldn't. in fact, TOR has soured on schenn...and Kadri for that matter.
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Feb 3 @ 8:06 PM ET
How do you know that Toronto has soured on both players? - MJL
bill watters, who does color for the leafs and is an ex-GM, said so, as did another TOR area reporter on XM. Kadri especially, because he is a top 6 center with a small frame, but unlike a guy like Richards, he doesn't play 200 ft.
schenn is viewed as a guy caught in a logjam of prospects who offer a better value given his contract and the mix of the leaf back line.
I would lean in that direction also. But I'm not in a position to say that it is 100% certain that's the case. I think were dealing with potential here, and that's a crapshoot. - MJL
At this point one has shown more potential then the other though. JvR has shown nothing but steps forward, even in high pressure situations like the playoffs. In my mind the only thing that's hurt JvR's development is getting hurt this season. People expected more from him but it's tough to put it together when you're hurt. Schenn has struggled simply because he's struggling.
At this point one has showed more potential then the other though. JvR has showed nothing but steps forward, even in high pressure situations like the playoffs. In my mind the only thing that's hurt JvR's development is getting hurt this season. People expected more from him but it's tough to put it together when you're hurt. Schenn has struggled simply because he's struggling. - Schenn2shine
You make solid points. I think JvR for Schenn straight up would be a mistake by the Flyers. It usually takes defenseman longer to develop but I think JvR could land a better player in a trade if he was a realistic player to trade (Homer willing to move him).
bill watters, who does color for the leafs and is an ex-GM, said so, as did another TOR area reporter on XM. Kadri especially, because he is a top 6 center with a small frame, but unlike a guy like Richards, he doesn't play 200 ft.
schenn is viewed as a guy caught in a logjam of prospects who offer a better value given his contract and the mix of the leaf back line. - isaiah520
I don't buy that for a second. Did Kadri not have a small frame when they drafted him, or did he suddenly develop a small frame, that has caused Toronto to sour on him. The Media is rarely a good source of a team souring on a player. What is the logjam of defensive prospects that Schenn is caught up in? Players at 21 or 22 don't always have a complete game, and have areas that need to be improved upon in their play.
They sent Kadri down a couple of games ago. That would be the only evidence I have on that, as for Schenn, I have no idea. - MBFlyerfan
As an example, the Flyers sent Brayden Schenn down at the start of the Season. That doesn't mean they soured on him. Some player are ready sooner then others. For a variety of reasons.
