lupul really made coburn his female doge last night eh

a 1st and a prospect most likely
- griouxmvp2012

they need offense badly.....I would think the Kings would want a forward who can contribute now

Actually they would. See LA has about 1 million in cap space. Stoll and Bernier make 4.8. Carter makes 5.2... But remember, Now LA has to replace Bernier, and I bet they have to trade for someone as I dont think their prospects are ready...
- RooNosHockey

Actually no they wouldn't need to clear space to make that deal. They would have plenty of room left over to add a backup Goalie.

So the Kings are going to trade Bernier, Stoll and a 1st to Columbus for Carter.

And since they don't have another guy in their system that they trust as a back-up goalie, they're going to trade Jack Johnson for picks/prospects to create cap space so that they can trade another asset for a back-up goalie.

Got it.
- bradleyc4

Yup.. They are using their strenghts (Defense and Goaltending) to address Scoring. Columbus obviously didn't want Johnson in a deal for Carter...

Yup.. They are using their strenghts (Defense and Goaltending) to address Scoring. Columbus obviously didn't want Johnson in a deal for Carter...
- RooNosHockey

You dont think it is a flawed move to trade on of your top young d-men for picks and prospects so that you can add a back up goalie?

did you guys see him throw giroux down like a rag dool as he was cutting to the crease....thought the leafs were advertising luke a lil bit.
- Philly1980

Yeah, he was physical...maybe he's happy knowing that they took him off the block.

If they trade Johnson, they have to look at replacing everything Johnson brings. He plays 22 minutes a night. He's their PP QB. So either MAB or Gus, or somebody currently on their roster would have to replace what Johnson is doing.

Johnson isn't exactly Rod Langway or Scott Stevens, he's an offensive defenseman, so trading him would probably impact the offensive side of things, especially the PP, more than the defensive side.

There's no logical reason for the Kings to trade Stoll, Bernier and a 1st for Carter and then turn around and trade Johnson for a 1st and prospect. If the goal is to recoup the 1st, they can trade Johnson at the draft.
- Jsaquella

Well still at the end of the day the rumor is the Flyers asked the price on JJ and it's a 1st and a prospect. Whether or not they use the extra cap to go after Carter or Parise or whoever is really nothing to get up in arms over. Personally I think the prospect they want back could be along the lines of a MAB, Gus, Harry Z, Wellwood type. Some people are suggesting Voracek. How is he still considered a prospect tho? I think the Flyers would hang up the phone if the price was Voracek and a 1st.

Actually they would. See LA has about 1 million in cap space. Stoll and Bernier make 4.8. Carter makes 5.2... But remember, Now LA has to replace Bernier, and I bet they have to trade for someone as I dont think their prospects are ready...
- RooNosHockey

Actually, Los Angeles can take on a $2.5mm cap hit as of today, and $3.6mm at the TDL.

I think a greater question for the Kings is are they willing to have two guys under contract making over $5 million for the next 10 years with both having no-trade clauses. The no trade clauses are the tough part if I'm Lombardi.
- ravishingone

Depending on what the teams they were traded to agreed to, according to the CBA, both Carter and Richards NTC's are voided when they were traded.

Well still at the end of the day the rumor is the Flyers asked the price on JJ and it's a 1st and a prospect. Whether or not they use the extra cap to go after Carter or Parise or whoever is really nothing to get up in arms over. Personally I think the prospect they want back could be along the lines of a MAB, Gus, Harry Z, Wellwood type. Some people are suggesting Voracek. How is he still considered a prospect tho? I think the Flyers would hang up the phone if the price was Voracek and a 1st.
- hereticpride

At the end of the day, all I am asking is, does the "rumor" make a lick of sense on any level?

Cap space is not a real issue in any way shape or forum if they are trading roster assets to add Carter or Parise. Does LA have anyone that can replace what Johnson brings to the table in the immediate future?

Yup.. They are using their strenghts (Defense and Goaltending) to address Scoring. Columbus obviously didn't want Johnson in a deal for Carter...
- RooNosHockey

Because ek said la wants carter, that means Columbus doesn't want JJ or Defense?

Well still at the end of the day the rumor is the Flyers asked the price on JJ and it's a 1st and a prospect. Whether or not they use the extra cap to go after Carter or Parise or whoever is really nothing to get up in arms over. Personally I think the prospect they want back could be along the lines of a MAB, Gus, Harry Z, Wellwood type. Some people are suggesting Voracek. How is he still considered a prospect tho? I think the Flyers would hang up the phone if the price was Voracek and a 1st.
- hereticpride

Do you honestly think that LA woould take one of the prospects that you mentioned, along with a first round pick, for Johnson? They will be marginal NHL players. They will want a top prospect, not a throw in prospect.

Depending on what the teams they were traded to agreed to, according to the CBA, both Carter and Richards NTC's are voided when they were traded.
- MJL

Columbus' beat writer confirmed that Carter's NTC was nullified with the trade.

At the end of the day, all I am asking is, does the "rumor" make a lick of sense on any level?

Cap space is not a real issue in any way shape or forum if they are trading roster assets to add Carter or Parise. Does LA have anyone that can replace what Johnson brings to the table in the immediate future?
- Jsaquella

I dont see the Kings making a move period. Rumors happen all the time right before the TDL but most of them never come true.

Depending on what the teams they were traded to agreed to, according to the CBA, both Carter and Richards NTC's are voided when they were traded.
- MJL

I thought the only way they would be voided was if the player waived it to be traded. Being that they were not enacted to begin with, I dont know how that would be the case... I am not sure though.

Columbus' beat writer confirmed that Carter's NTC was nullified with the trade.
- bradleyc4

Really, thanks I just assumed the terms of the contract were just forwarded to the next team, you learn something new everyday.

Columbus' beat writer confirmed that Carter's NTC was nullified with the trade.
- bradleyc4

I never knew that was a rule, interesting.

Columbus' beat writer confirmed that Carter's NTC was nullified with the trade.
- bradleyc4

If im Carter I dont want a NTC anyways, who the hell wants to be stuck in Columbus.

Yeah, he was physical...maybe he's happy knowing that they took him off the block.
- Jsaquella

NO. THEY DID NOT TAKE HIM OFF THE BLOCK! JuniorVaRsity FOR SCHENN!!

Columbus' beat writer confirmed that Carter's NTC was nullified with the trade.
- bradleyc4

Huh, didn't know about that. You learn something each day, most fascinating.

NO. THEY DID NOT TAKE HIM OFF THE BLOCK! JuniorVaRsity FOR SCHENN!!
- jak52Real

NO. THEY DID NOT TAKE HIM OFF THE BLOCK! JuniorVaRsity FOR SCHENN!!
- jak521

We learned from richie and cartsey that no one is ever off the block if the offer is right.

At the end of the day, all I am asking is, does the "rumor" make a lick of sense on any level?

Cap space is not a real issue in any way shape or forum if they are trading roster assets to add Carter or Parise. Does LA have anyone that can replace what Johnson brings to the table in the immediate future?
- Jsaquella

My feeling is this is why they want a 1st. It's going to be a deep defensive draft. Does that help them the next two years right away? Maybe not. But you've got to remember they are literally the polar opposites of the Flyers right now. All defense. No offense. You'd think they'd want to move JJ for a forward but apparently they are content with a draft pick and prospect, given the rumor.

Let's remember GMs are not computers. It's not a given that every move is always going to make a ton of sense at any given time. Who's to say that they aren't trying to load up on 1st's to try and land two big forwards? God knows they could use them.

You dont think it is a flawed move to trade on of your top young d-men for picks and prospects so that you can add a back up goalie?
- jak521

Depends what the prospect is... If the Prospect is Matt Read... Then LA is trading Stoll, Bernier, and Johnson for Carter and Read .... Not too bad for a team looking to add scoring. Even if its Voracek...

Did a quick back read scan. Surprised not to see any chatter about the Dominic Moore hit on Fedetenko last night. That to me should be an automatic 10 games. And what the Seravalli was the back official watching to only hand out a 2 min. minor for roughing on that play? Donkey clowns.

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