do you enjoy watching your team win nothing for a number if years? cause i sure as (frank) dont
- 2Real

Ugh. No, I don't. It annoys the poop out of me.

no we brought in players to help us win now
all those younger players need to man up
if we're rebuilding then we should have just let bob be our #1 goalie cause bryz is a waste then
- 2Real

I wouldnt call it rebuilding. They are reloading some youth with the veteran group that they have. The strength of this team (with experience) is the defense and if you have Bryz in net that would cushion the blow while the offense was suppose to take time to develop chemistry. The offense has been much better and the team defense hasnt. Bryz was signed bc they wanted a number one goalie who could give them a better chance to win. He was an upgrade over what they currently had (Leighton, Boucher, and Bob).

Right. It was literally painful to watch. Bob's let some softies in, no doubt, but he had little chance on any of the goals. Even the 1st Callahan goal (I think it was the first - the one that bounced off his back and in), he was sliding from left to right and still almost made the save while the other players were still trying to figure out where the magic puck had gotten to.
- wolfhounds

The problem was on the 1st Callahan goal, Bobrovsky had to come far out to challenge Gaborik because he was so open in the slot. And he had too far to go to get back to the left post.

Ugh. No, I don't. It annoys the poop out of me.
- wolfhounds

good glad you agree this team needs to find balls and play better

Right. It was literally painful to watch. Bob's let some softies in, no doubt, but he had little chance on any of the goals. Even the 1st Callahan goal (I think it was the first - the one that bounced off his back and in), he was sliding from left to right and still almost made the save while the other players were still trying to figure out where the magic puck had gotten to.
- wolfhounds

The 3 PP goals Bobrovsky had zero chance on any of them. Two back door tap ins, and an uncontested deflection. He made a great save on a 2-1 odd man rush early to keep the game scoreless. Goaltending had zero to do with the Flyers loss yesterday.
Lack of discipline, frustration, dreadful special teams, and lack of in-game adjustments are what did the Flyers in.

I wouldnt call it rebuilding. They are reloading some youth with the veteran group that they have. The strength of this team (with experience) is the defense and if you have Bryz in net that would cushion the blow while the offense was suppose to take time to develop chemistry. The offense has been much better and the team defense hasnt. Bryz was signed bc they wanted a number one goalie who could give them a better chance to win. He was an upgrade over what they currently had (Leighton, Boucher, and Bob).
- stveshdy

we're still seeing the same (frank)ing stupid mistakes from the defense we saw years ago

you can only act as a charity for so long before you need to dump the trash

Hard to be patient bc the Flyers are one of the high scoring teams in the league. They use their offense to control games and keep opponents off guard. But when you play NY or Boston their defense counteracts that and forces the Flyers to try and do too much which opens up the Flyers to make mistakes, imo.
- stveshdy

Exactly that's why I said before they have to play a patient chess match type of game. It's like in football when a team is real pass happy makes it's name off of deep vertical passing, then runs into a team that rushes and gets to the quarterbacks like lions on baby lambs and there's a saying for this— defense wins championships. It's not just true for Football but all the other sports too. Maybe not baseball but I think you get my point.

Right now the Flyers try to do too much against the rangers. They know they can score on Lundqvist off a breakaway so they are trying to force that. My advice is not too because the risk is too high for a counter-rush or prime scoring chance. THis plays into the team defense because they are all looking at the puck carrier instead of sticking their man- they're trying to pounce on the puck for that big rush even on the PK. No that's not everything in a nutshell but to me it's a summary of the biggest problem with this team.

The problem was on the 1st Callahan goal, Bobrovsky had to come far out to challenge Gaborik because he was so open in the slot. And he had to far to go to get back to the left post.
- MJL

Yup. And when Richards carried the puck down the middle with the apparent force-field around him (I thought they were banned in the 80s) so everybody had to keep sinking down and back but they still left Gaborik wide open for the deflection?

That's when I literally yelled What The (frank)!

we're still seeing the same (frank)ing stupid mistakes from the defense we saw years ago

you can only act as a charity for so long before you need to dump the trash
- 2Real

So who do you want to dump? The same mistakes are happening but maybe some of that has to due with current lineup (8 rookies). Your asking MAB and Gust to play solid minutes and neither should even be on the roster. Gus coming into camp had an outside chance of getting some playing time but their is noway you can tell me you expect to see MAB playing.

The problem was on the 1st Callahan goal, Bobrovsky had to come far out to challenge Gaborik because he was so open in the slot. And he had too far to go to get back to the left post.
- MJL

the problem with that goal was the refs gave it to the rangers

So who do you want to dump? The same mistakes are happening but maybe some of that has to due with current lineup (8 rookies). Your asking MAB and Gust to play solid minutes and neither should even be on the roster. Gus coming into camp had an outside chance of getting some playing time but their is noway you can tell me you expect to see MAB playing.
- stveshdy

mezsaros, coburn, and carle have all been awful it's time to cut ties with at least one
Timonen is the only one worth keeping but he's getting old

i don't mind MAB or Gusty cause at least they try

The 3 PP goals Bobrovsky had zero chance on any of them. Two back door tap ins, and an uncontested deflection. He made a great save on a 2-1 odd man rush early to keep the game scoreless. Goaltending had zero to do with the Flyers loss yesterday.
Lack of discipline, frustration, dreadful special teams, and lack of in-game adjustments are what did the Flyers in.
- PLindbergh31

Yup. I meant to write Bob has let some softies in in the past, but there was little he could do to prevent the goals yesterday. In fact, he made that one incredible save that had me cringing and reaching for something cold to ice down my junk.

I wouldnt call it rebuilding. They are reloading some youth with the veteran group that they have.
- stveshdy

I'd call it relaxing.

Especially when it comes to working on the defensive side of their game.

Two of the three years the Devils won the Cup, the Flyers won the Division. 1994-1995, and 1999-2000. The year the Devils won the Division in 2002-2003, they edged the Flyers by 1 point.

I think there might be something to the Flyers not having the defensive personnel to employ Laviolette's aggressive puck hunting system. The loss of Pronger is having a ripple effect on the entire d-core. Flyers have two rookies playing significant minutes, they are starting to become exposed.
- PLindbergh31

And the biggest difference between the Flyers and the Devils aside from Brodeur was the team cohesion. They didn't try to razzle dazzle you just play a system and make you pay for mistakes. Look at that 7 game Conference Finals. The Flyers had them on the ropes but couldn't put them away. Stevens and Co just buckled down, had the forwards playing defense too and made the Flyers pay for either defensive lapses or dumb mistakes with the puck. Goaltending wasn't the end all that year imo Boucher was stellar that year. The team cohesion was. WIth all these rookies and new faces the Veterans are caught at times trying to force things against the big teams, and then you have Sestito (who I absolutely love on this team) making a stupid move whacking lundy's pads setting off a scrum that puts the Flyers two men down. With time he'll learn how to pick his battles better, what refs he can do that stuff with etc.

Yup. And when Richards carried the puck down the middle with the apparent force-field around him (I thought they were banned in the 80s) so everybody had to keep sinking down and back but they still left Gaborik wide open for the deflection?

That's when I literally yelled What The (frank)!
- wolfhounds

You're right. Forcefields were banned in the 80s, that's how voodoo got into the game lol

mezsaros, coburn, and carle have all been awful it's time to cut ties with at least one
Timonen is the only one worth keeping but he's getting old

i don't mind MAB or Gusty cause at least they try
- 2Real

The way Timo is speaking up nowadays, it seems he's looking for a ticket out. Back to Nashville, perhaps? Hmmmmmm.

mezsaros, coburn, and carle have all been awful it's time to cut ties with at least one
Timonen is the only one worth keeping but he's getting old

i don't mind MAB or Gusty cause at least they try
- 2Real

So you think Mez, Coburn, and Carle dont try?

Maybe the Flyers will part with Carle in the offseason but if they cant find an upgrade (such as Suter) then they may have to try and sign him.

I'd call it relaxing.

Especially when it comes to working on the defensive side of their game.
- 77rams

Young players make mistakes. Whoever gets paired up with MAB or Gust is going to have to expect some ups and downs bc their rookies. The forwards need to help out more also but once again you have some young players. Defense is a concern but there is nothing you can do but continue to work on it during practices and watch more video.

And the biggest difference between the Flyers and the Devils aside from Brodeur was the team cohesion. They didn't try to razzle dazzle you just play a system and make you pay for mistakes. Look at that 7 game Conference Finals. The Flyers had them on the ropes but couldn't put them away. Stevens and Co just buckled down, had the forwards playing defense too and made the Flyers pay for either defensive lapses or dumb mistakes with the puck. Goaltending wasn't the end all that year imo Boucher was stellar that year. The team cohesion was. WIth all these rookies and new faces the Veterans are caught at times trying to force things against the big teams, and then you have Sestito (who I absolutely love on this team) making a stupid move whacking lundy's pads setting off a scrum that puts the Flyers two men down. With time he'll learn how to pick his battles better, what refs he can do that stuff with etc.
- JoeRussomanno

Spot on Joe. Boucher was plenty good enough in that 2000 ECF for the Flyers to win. The difference was Stevens, Neidermayer, and Daneyko. In games 5, 6, and 7 the Flyers scored a grand total of 3 goals. Not going to get it done. I think the Devils have only won 2 playoff series since Stevens. Neidermayer, and Daneyko have been gone. They were the difference in those series with the Flyers, not Brodeur.

Yup. I meant to write Bob has let some softies in in the past, but there was little he could do to prevent the goals yesterday. In fact, he made that one incredible save that had me cringing and reaching for something cold to ice down my junk.
- wolfhounds

The one on Anisimov? Where he got the puck right in front if the net (again) spun and tried to pht it far post but bob thres out his leg and stoned him? My ragin cajun came alive when i saw that

So you think Mez, Coburn, and Carle dont try?

Maybe the Flyers will part with Carle in the offseason but if they cant find an upgrade (such as Suter) then they may have to try and sign him.
- stveshdy

if they are trying the flat out suck and it's time to move them

The way Timo is speaking up nowadays, it seems he's looking for a ticket out. Back to Nashville, perhaps? Hmmmmmm.
- 77rams

That's a negative ghostrider. Someone has to be vocal without prongs in the locker room. I like it.

The way Timo is speaking up nowadays, it seems he's looking for a ticket out. Back to Nashville, perhaps? Hmmmmmm.
- 77rams

nah they're fine on defense tampa is the only team that comes in mind that's bleeding for defense and they probably don't want him

Whats this crap that the Rangers really want Nash??? just me i think thats a stupid idea i would think they would have to give up a lot i dont know why u would do that... just me

That's a negative ghostrider. Someone has to be vocal without prongs in the locker room. I like it.
- fecondo

agreed had no problem cause i think its the truth some player our half assing it for sure