Too many negatives in the fundamental areas of the game and the stats prove it:

1) PK and PP percentages total well below 100% totalled- teams under that rarely make the playoffs and if they do they are gone quick.

2) Goals against - 2nd or 3rd worst in the league. Save % must be near bottom of the league too.

3) Faceoffs lost at key times and in key ares of the ice.

Not a playoff worthy team.
- RickJ

>Totally agree -- PP futility continues to help lose games
>You hold a good team under 20 shots in their own building including only 5 shots in the first and 3 in the third and still lose!
>Worst goaltending tandem in the NHL -- and goal #3 is totally on Emery -- that puck barely changed directions
>Bolland was 40% in his own zone tonight -- he's often a big problem at the dot -- with all his D-zone losses
>With the way he plays, you would expect Bolland to be one of the best face-off men in the league -- but he is far from it -- I've lost my patience with him
>I would trade Bolland while his value is still quite high -- though I love his playoff effort and results -- his regular season play sucks, he is often injured, and is terrible at the dot
>Bolland is ranked as "the best grinder in the NHL" -- he should be able to get a good return (he might be part of the Nash proposal)

Listening to Savard in the studio is painful! He says nothing interesting and he flat out makes incorrect statements!!!

How about this charming stat!. During the 7 games of this trip the Hawks have had the lead a grand total of 22 minutes out 420!!! The last time they lead in a game was in Edm. 5 straight games with out having a lead!!!

If we go back to the start of this streak in Nashville. They had a lead for 2 minutes!

In their 9 straight losses they have lead for grand total of 24 minutes out of 540 minutes of hockey!!

This losing streak is well earned!!!
- bogiedoc

Just like Olczyk. Only he is worse

Flames look like a winner. HOLY CRAP...they will be 3 behind the Hawks with Phoenix now 2.

Hell with the standings.......
- bogiedoc

Come on Bogie...you know the Hawks are toast. The playoffs are not going to happen.

Top 10 pick's a comin' !!

Come on Bogie...you know the Hawks are toast. The playoffs are not going to happen.

Top 10 pick's a comin' !!
- ArlingtonRob

Only problem is that historically, after pick #3 it's a total roll of the dice...

Some of you may have seen this via 5th Feather.

http://www.secondcityhock...pp-and-pk-during-the-skid

This is an eye-popping analysis. Although the Phx and Nsh game are not included the data from those games fits the trends.

If you had a sense the Hawks were facing a goalie combo of Roy/Hassek every nite for the last 9 games...you would be right.

"Even though they are handily out-shooting their opponents they are getting outscored 2 to 1. That is a direct result of goaltending - both for and against.
The hawks have been on the man advantage 19 times and shorthanded 22 times, yet they have been out-shot 47 to 11 on special teams.

11 shots on 19 power plays??? Getting outshot 4 to 1 on special teams??? How does that compute when we just saw that the same team excels at EV?"

Sharp
McNeill or Saad (not both)
Clendening
#1 pick in 2012

(guess)
- John Jaeckel

That will not be enough as other teams will have more to offer. LA, Philly and ancouver could easily beat the Hawk offer. A goalie in the deal makes it happen and the Hawks don't have one to give. Think Schneider, Bernier, or Bobrovsky.

Only problem is that historically, after pick #3 it's a total roll of the dice...
- Beaver-Warrior

Beav,

Not suggesting a top 10 pick is a guarantee of quality, but there's a chance a better player could be had. Or, that a trade could be made with a first round sweetener.

A top 10 pick is simply my way of saying this years club is done.

12th in the west when the dust settles in April. Only Minnesota, Edmonton, and Columbus will finish lower than the Hawks. Yes, even the Ducks will pass the tumbling Hawks.

Some of you may have seen this via 5th Feather.

http://www.secondcityhock...pp-and-pk-during-the-skid

This is an eye-popping analysis. Although the Phx and Nsh game are not included the data from those games fits the trends.

If you had a sense the Hawks were facing a goalie combo of Roy/Hassek every nite for the last 9 games...you would be right.

"Even though they are handily out-shooting their opponents they are getting outscored 2 to 1. That is a direct result of goaltending - both for and against.
The hawks have been on the man advantage 19 times and shorthanded 22 times, yet they have been out-shot 47 to 11 on special teams.

11 shots on 19 power plays??? Getting outshot 4 to 1 on special teams??? How does that compute when we just saw that the same team excels at EV?"
- bogiedoc

Bogie, that analysis leaves me gobsmacked. I want to point at coaching when it comes to special teams, but we are lacking in PK specialists, and a great goalie, which falls on Bowman, and the forward talent should produce more on the PP by accident.

It really is an odd year, and I believe reflects an arrogance in the Hawks organization, that throwing anyone out on the ice with our "core" will yield great results.

Not so fast.

And doesn't this year change your perspective regarding lasts year's club?

I though we had problems then...now last year is lookin' great in comparison.

What a mess...just hope management has the skill, and onions, to get us back on track after the CBA mess is cleared up.

Beav,

Not suggesting a top 10 pick is a guarantee of quality, but there's a chance a better player could be had.

A top 10 pick is simply my way of saying this years club is done.

12th in the west when the dust settles in April. Only Minnesota, Edmonton, and Columbus will finish lower than the Hawks. Yes, even the Ducks will pass the tumbling Hawks.
- ArlingtonRob

Wow you are the ultra pessimist!!! You are expecting the Aves, Stars, Flames and Ducks (who are 10 points behind the Hawks) to pass our heros? So the Hawks are going to fall behind 7 teams with 25 games to go! You forget those teams have to play each other while avg a point a game while the Hawks finish beyond a disasterous 7-18. Coupled to this current streak that means the Hawks would end with a post allstar game record around 7-24-1.

If that happens....don't even go there!!

That will not be enough as other teams will have more to offer. LA, Philly and ancouver could easily beat the Hawk offer. A goalie in the deal makes it happen and the Hawks don't have one to give. Think Schneider, Bernier, or Bobrovsky.
- flyerdude17

There would have to be another team involved. Bluejackets would want a goalie. And as we all know Chicago is wrong place to look for one of those!

That will not be enough as other teams will have more to offer. LA, Philly and ancouver could easily beat the Hawk offer. A goalie in the deal makes it happen and the Hawks don't have one to give. Think Schneider, Bernier, or Bobrovsky.
- flyerdude17

Bobrovsky's value isn't even close to the other two, but yes, Hawks would have to be creative if Columbus really wants a goalie.

One thing they can offer that the other teams can't is an established star player in Patrick Sharp. The other teams will be offering guys like JVR, Raymond and Johnson. Sharp has more value than any of them imo.

There would have to be another team involved. Bluejackets would want a goalie. And as we all know Chicago is wrong place to look for one of those!
- bogiedoc

I don't know about that. I hear Eddie Lack is playing pretty good this year.

A tragic goalie miss: stop the plucking puck - went between his legs, hit off of him.

Bad play by Keith, worse by Emery. Preds made plenty of mistakes leading to good Hawk chances - Rinne let in fewer than Emery.
- StLBravesFan

Bad play by Emery, MUCH worse by Keith. Do not stand like the Washington monument in front of your goalie with the hopes of blocking the shot. If he's going to block it slide in front feet first, back to the shooter, or get the f(u)ck out of the way. That's our former Norris Trophy winner? Wow !!

Not going through the whole thread so I'm sure someone has already mentioned it but Sharp is the only one of the "core" that doesn't have a NTC.. Well, at least it doesn't kick in until next season..

As for last nights game. That is what I call encouraging.

I thought the Hawks put together a solid 60 minute effort for the first time in a very long time.

I've been as hard on the goaltending as anyone but I thought Emery played well and can't fault him for any of the goals.

Feels nice to be positive for once lol

Anyone know off-hand the last time the Hawks had a lead in a game?

JJ.

TSN is saying that Nash has provided Columbus with a list of 5 or less teams he's willing to go to..

If thats true, and what your source is saying to you, is it safe to say the Hawks are on that list or is Bowman just doing his best to get on the list?

Not going through the whole thread so I'm sure someone has already mentioned it but Sharp is the only one of the "core" that doesn't have a NTC.. Well, at least it doesn't kick in until next season..
- pri$ey

Capgeek has Toews and Kane's NMC "only eligible 2014-15, detail TBA"... The way I read it the NMC only kicks in in the last year of their contracts.

I am not suggesting Toews to be traded, but Kane would be a fair game, especially if we could get Nash back...

Hawks are one game above true .500: 29 - 28.

This is last year.

No deal in place yet but Zidlicky has waived his NTC to goto the Devils..

Perfect pickup for them. He would have been a good defensive pickup for the Hawks..

Not going through the whole thread so I'm sure someone has already mentioned it but Sharp is the only one of the "core" that doesn't have a NTC.. Well, at least it doesn't kick in until next season..
- pri$ey

CapGeek says NMC, modified NTC. Nothing for Bolly, nothing for Hammer. Modified NTC for Montador until 7/1/14, 10-team no-trade list

As for last nights game. That is what I call encouraging.

I thought the Hawks put together a solid 60 minute effort for the first time in a very long time.

I've been as hard on the goaltending as anyone but I thought Emery played well and can't fault him for any of the goals.

Feels nice to be positive for once lol

Anyone know off-hand the last time the Hawks had a lead in a game?
- pri$ey[/quote]

Here you go from an earlier post:
How about this charming stat!. During the 7 games of this trip the Hawks have had the lead a grand total of 22 minutes out 420!!! The last time they lead in a game was in Edm. 5 straight games with out having a lead!!!

If we go back to the start of this streak in Nashville. They had a lead for 2 minutes!

In their 9 straight losses they have lead for grand total of 24 minutes out of 540 minutes of hockey!!

CapGeek says NMC, modified NTC. Nothing for Bolly, nothing for Hammer. Modified NTC for Montador until 7/1/14, 10-team no-trade list
- blackhawk24

For Sharp? I thought his didn't kick in until next season when his new contract officially starts.

[quote=pri$ey]As for last nights game. That is what I call encouraging.

I thought the Hawks put together a solid 60 minute effort for the first time in a very long time.

I've been as hard on the goaltending as anyone but I thought Emery played well and can't fault him for any of the goals.

Feels nice to be positive for once lol

Anyone know off-hand the last time the Hawks had a lead in a game?
- bogiedoc[/quote]

Here you go from an earlier post:
How about this charming stat!. During the 7 games of this trip the Hawks have had the lead a grand total of 22 minutes out 420!!! The last time they lead in a game was in Edm. 5 straight games with out having a lead!!!

If we go back to the start of this streak in Nashville. They had a lead for 2 minutes!

In their 9 straight losses they have lead for grand total of 24 minutes out of 540 minutes of hockey!!

Edmonton lol

I should have remembered that, I was texting with a friend who lives in Edmonton during the game.

Glad I didn't remember it haha.. That's depressing.

For Sharp? I thought his didn't kick in until next season when his new contract officially starts.
- pri$ey

I believe you are right... Current contract has no NMC or NTC!

Ruutu out 3 to 4 weeks with upper body injury...

There goes another one off the market... Canes must be kicking themselves now!