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Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:03 PM ET
Really ? How so ? Especially if it doesn't include Kane. Because you know it wont include Sharp. Prospect's are just prospects and we've got a boat load of extra picks right ?

Nash and Kane would tear it up.
Nash and Toews would tear it up
Nash opposite of Hossa would tear it up

Nash is a super star Captan. He's had no help being great in Colombus. Put him here next to the guys I mentioned and he'll continue to thrive.

If this does get done im actually thinking Sharp and Kruger will be the Hawks that Colombus takes off the NHL roster.

- mrpaulish


Root of the problem is defense. Give up too much for Nash and you have no chips for D men, and it's another albatross contract that you and everyone else knows will come back to haunt them.

Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 14 @ 4:03 PM ET
With the lack of top end talent available this year in free agency I have to think whoever strikes out would pay a pretty decent premium for Sharp in the summer.

Heck what does Dave Tallon offer up for Sharp at the draft?

- Lahey


Could be a good amount especially if he can't resign Versteeg.
ilinkhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.11.2007

Feb 14 @ 4:06 PM ET
With the lack of top end talent available this year in free agency I have to think whoever strikes out would pay a pretty decent premium for Sharp in the summer.

Heck what does Dave Tallon offer up for Sharp at the draft?

- Lahey


I disagree at 6 mil per.. for 5 more years. Could be wrong. Usually teams offer those contracts to players that are much younger or bonafide stars like Nash. I wouldn't call Sharp a superstar.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 14 @ 4:07 PM ET
Besides all the Nash stuff , the only reason im responding is that JJ in my opinion doesn't post just to acquire hits on his page. Someone told him the Hawks are going to make an offer. I also believe that the Hawks know that they're on Nash's list .

JJ or AL , anyone get a glimpse of what happened in the Hawks HUGE Organizational meeting yesterday ?
PhatJoeSki
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.20.2012

Feb 14 @ 4:08 PM ET
Nash? no thanks
i'd rather the hawks trade for a D man, and more physical winger.
then, i don't know, maybe quit juggling lines every 3 shifts? let some chemistry happen....

- InvisibleOrange


Nash would be the physical winger. He is more physical than any winger the Hawks have now. Sharp to CBJ doesn't make a ton of sense though. Someone mentioned the CBJ flipping Sharp for prospects: I wonder if there would have to be a 3rd team involved for this to work out. Nash to CHI, Sharp to ???, prospects and picks to CBJ. Obviously more pieces could move, but that could be the frame work.
ilinkhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.11.2007

Feb 14 @ 4:08 PM ET
Could be a good amount especially if he can't resign Versteeg.
- Al


Could... but I don't see Columbus acquiring Sharp with hopes of dealing him to Florida..
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:08 PM ET
It wouldn't be tempting to me...It would be done.

But $7.8 mill for one player is a big hit so the Hawks would have to move some salary in the offseason.

- Al

As much as I'd drool at the thought of a Nash-Toews-Hossa top line, what about the rest of the roster?

SB has yet to prove he could back-fill a roster with lower priced players.

And they'd still have to get 1 or 2 good D-men, 2 more lower half wingers, perhaps a 2C and then there's this goaltending thing.

I'm not convinced the next CBA won't at a minimum dial down the rate of increase of the cap, perhaps flatten it for a year or 2.

This Nash thing sounds from a 'Hawks standpoint totally opposite of the rumblings JJ heard the team won't take on salary after this season.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 14 @ 4:09 PM ET
I don't like the idea of Nash to CHI. Hasn't management learn their lesson with crippling contracts like this? If it's for Sharp fine, but nothing more. Even then Sharp is kinda playing better than Nash the past couple years.
- Lahey



You mean by winning the cup?
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 14 @ 4:10 PM ET
I disagree at 6 mil per.. for 5 more years. Could be wrong. Usually teams offer those contracts to players that are much younger or bonafide stars like Nash. I wouldn't call Sharp a superstar.
- ilinkhawk

Brad Richards comes to mind
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:11 PM ET


This Nash thing sounds from a 'Hawks standpoint totally opposite of the rumblings JJ heard the team won't take on salary after this season.

- blackhawk24


The lunacy of hockey operations by McD headed committees.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:12 PM ET
You mean by winning the cup?
- Canada Cup

If they were on the cusp (they're not) that a power LW guy would put them in PRIME position for a deep run, then fine.

But they are not that close. They seriously need 2 more D-men. Monty isn't the answer and Leddy HAS to go to the 3rd pairing with 3rd pairing minutes.

They don't have enough grit up front - yes Nash would solve some of that - but other than Mayers there is no one else in the bottom 6 that can play night in and night out with a physical edge.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Feb 14 @ 4:12 PM ET
As much as I'd drool at the thought of a Nash-Toews-Hossa top line, what about the rest of the roster?

SB has yet to prove he could back-fill a roster with lower priced players.

And they'd still have to get 1 or 2 good D-men, 2 more lower half wingers, perhaps a 2C and then there's this goaltending thing.

I'm not convinced the next CBA won't at a minimum dial down the rate of increase of the cap, perhaps flatten it for a year or 2.

This Nash thing sounds from a 'Hawks standpoint totally opposite of the rumblings JJ heard the team won't take on salary after this season.

- blackhawk24


Agreed if we have those three on our top line then we just look like anaheim. Plus that move doesnt eliminate our problem of being top heavy offensively.
nathanjf
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec, QC
Joined: 11.25.2010

Feb 14 @ 4:13 PM ET
Sharp
McNeill or Saad (not both)
Clendening
#1 pick in 2012

(guess)

- John Jaeckel




When I look at that package, I have to wonder what those peices could be worth in two seperate deals.

Sharp for Dubinsky and Chris Krieder?

McNeil or Saad, Clendening, 1st for Subban?

Pure speculation, but I prefer these two trades than 1 involving Nash. Even more when you consider cap space.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 14 @ 4:13 PM ET
You mean by winning the cup?
- Canada Cup

Is Nash the piece that puts them over the top? If so fine trade for him, but I don't think Nash is the missing cog to another cup in CHI.
victorymc98
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.07.2012

Feb 14 @ 4:14 PM ET
If they were on the cusp (they're not) that a power LW guy would put them in PRIME position for a deep run, then fine.

But they are not that close. They seriously need 2 more D-men. Monty isn't the answer and Leddy HAS to go to the 3rd pairing with 3rd pairing minutes.

They don't have enough grit up front - yes Nash would solve some of that - but other than Mayers there is no one else in the bottom 6 that can play night in and night out with a physical edge.

- blackhawk24


Can't agree anymore with this statement!
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:14 PM ET
Is Nash the piece that puts them over the top? If so fine trade for him, but I don't think Nash is the missing cog to another cup in CHI.
- Lahey


But he would be for the Rangers.
ilinkhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.11.2007

Feb 14 @ 4:15 PM ET
Brad Richards comes to mind
- Lahey


There's one.. and that's the Rangers.
shruew
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.08.2008

Feb 14 @ 4:15 PM ET
Root of the problem is defense. Give up too much for Nash and you have no chips for D men....
- Return of the Roar


Sometimes you have to go with the best available player you can get.

There's not a lot of big name defensemen that seem to be available just yet.

If we're talking spending chips between Bogosian vs Nash, that's one thing. When you're talking Campoli vs Nash....meh
ilinkhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.11.2007

Feb 14 @ 4:16 PM ET
When I look at that package, I have to wonder what those peices could be worth in two seperate deals.

Sharp for Dubinsky and Chris Krieder?

McNeil or Saad, Clendening, 1st for Subban?

Pure speculation, but I prefer these two trades than 1 involving Nash. Even more when you consider cap space.

- nathanjf


This scenario makes us better. But I don't think either of these teams do these deals.
dan9189
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 06.29.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:16 PM ET
As much as I'd drool at the thought of a Nash-Toews-Hossa top line, what about the rest of the roster?

SB has yet to prove he could back-fill a roster with lower priced players.

And they'd still have to get 1 or 2 good D-men, 2 more lower half wingers, perhaps a 2C and then there's this goaltending thing.

I'm not convinced the next CBA won't at a minimum dial down the rate of increase of the cap, perhaps flatten it for a year or 2.

This Nash thing sounds from a 'Hawks standpoint totally opposite of the rumblings JJ heard the team won't take on salary after this season.

- blackhawk24


As long as teams and the NHL continues to make money, there will be no flattening out the cap. Doing something like that would hurt more than help the NHL as would reducing it too.
nathanjf
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec, QC
Joined: 11.25.2010

Feb 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
This scenario makes us better. But I don't think either of these teams do these deals.
- ilinkhawk


Maybe they don't, but I'm just trying to point out that if we are going to part with all of those peices we should be able to address more problems on this team than top end scoring. FWIW, if NYR are in on Nash why wouldn't they have interest in Sharp?
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
I disagree at 6 mil per.. for 5 more years. Could be wrong. Usually teams offer those contracts to players that are much younger or bonafide stars like Nash. I wouldn't call Sharp a superstar.
- ilinkhawk


Not cheap and getting older but Tallon doesn't blush....He would be the leader and center piece of that team with Campbell...


Considering what Tallon paid for some ham and eggers...around $3 mill...$5.9 could be doable.....But he doesn't have a lot to trade in some ways.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Feb 14 @ 4:19 PM ET
As long as teams and the NHL continues to make money, there will be no flattening out the cap. Doing something like that would hurt more than help the NHL as would reducing it too.
- dan9189


That's the sticking point ....Most lose money or make a slim profit after playoffs.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Feb 14 @ 4:19 PM ET
Sometimes you have to go with the best available player you can get.

There's not a lot of big name defensemen that seem to be available just yet.

If we're talking spending chips between Bogosian vs Nash, that's one thing. When you're talking Campoli vs Nash....meh

- shruew


The thing is that they don't HAVE to do anything. The first rule of negotiations is to enter them from a position of strength. The end of this season is when the Hawks bargaining power will be highest.

Just write the year off and do it right......
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 14 @ 4:20 PM ET
But he would be for the Rangers.
- Return of the Roar

TBH I think adding Nash could do more harm than good for NYR.
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