We could trade up The flyers wanna fix the d that's a great way to start
- griouxmvp2012

It's not that deep of a draft that cost is going to be high, we need to keep what we have and take the best available player.

And any d-man they take will need to mature & develop it's not going to help anytime soon.

Some scouts have noted it's Nail at #1 and then everybody else, stick to the pick you have.

Dont know we have LA's 2nd rounder in this year draft? just checking... i think we do

Sucks right?
- MJL

No, he's just not good enough of a return for JvR imo

It's not that deep of a draft that cost is going to be high, we need to keep what we have and take the best available player.

And any d-man they take will need to mature & develop it's not going to help anytime soon.

Some scouts have noted it's Nail at #1 and then everybody else, stick to the pick you have.
- ob18

There are no defenseman that are rated to have a possibility of jumping right into the NHL?

Dont know we have LA's 2nd rounder in this year draft? just checking... i think we do
- Slammed81

Here is the Flyers draft picks currently.

http://www.prosportstrans...tTrades/Future/Flyers.htm

No, he's just not good enough of a return for JvR imo
- Richieattack18

That's debatable.

It's not that deep of a draft that cost is going to be high, we need to keep what we have and take the best available player.

And any d-man they take will need to mature & develop it's not going to help anytime soon.

Some scouts have noted it's Nail at #1 and then everybody else, stick to the pick you have.
- ob18

But if we are looking to be better in the future... Then BAM

There are no defenseman that are rated to have a possibility of jumping right into the NHL?
- MJL

I am sure some will but that doesn't mean they should.

That's debatable.
- MJL

Mehh, you will always disagree with me

Wrong. Unlike +/-, CorsiRel can actually isolate and express a single player's contribution to the team's overall possession game.

Lilja's CorsiRel is -15, which means the team can expect to give up 15 more shot attempts per 60 min when he's taking a shift vs when he's on the bench or in the pressbox. When you're making shot attempts, that means you have the puck -- when Lilja's on the ice, the team is more likely to be without it, most likely stuck in their own zone vs third-tier attackers, chasing the play. To put it in perspective, the next lowest CorsiRel out of the regulars on the blueline is MAB w/ a -4.


There's no such thing as a 'shutdown metric'. Only measures of pushing the play forward.


No, just merely adequate. He hasn't been that, especially since he came back from injury.


Laviolette doesn't think Lilja can contribute to a win more than Gus and MAB. Simple as that. Just how badly he's down on Lilja's game is anyone's guess, but Lilja is at the bottom of the depth chart for sure.
- Tomahawk

Wait... you're still arguing about our 7th dman? Heaven forbid hes only adequate. What are realistic expectations for a 7th dman? Don't be terrible (which he hasn't been) and eat some minutes so our top 4 guys don't get burnt out ( which he's done). So, I guess my question is why do you have such a problem with him?

Wait... you're still arguing about our 7th dman? Heaven forbid hes only adequate. What are realistic expectations for a 7th dman? Don't be terrible (which he hasn't been) and eat some minutes so our top 4 guys don't get burnt out ( which he's done). So, I guess my question is why do you have such a problem with him?
- fecondo

He is god awful, which is probably the problemo with him.

Not wrong at all. It is impossible to do that. It is impossible for those advanced stats to prove that Lilja is the reason why the team gives up more shots, or why the other team has the puck more. There are 4 other players plus a Goalie on the ice.
- MJL

It's entirely possible, but it looks like you need to educate yourself about advanced stats before you try to speak to their limits and applications. You don't have a clue what you're arguing against.

Of course he's at the bottom of the depth chart. That's what he was brought here to be. A depth defenseman. That's the whole point of signing a 36 year old player to a 700K deal, to be a part time 6/7 D man. to have a veteran that you can put in the lineup that won't hurt you and provide as you put it, adequate play.
- MJL

We can go around and around and around about this, but you're obviously going to stick to your position no matter how many numbers, facts, pieces of evidence are put in front of you, so there's kind of no point.

Mehh, you will always disagree with me
- Richieattack18

I didn't disagree. It's a crapshoot and could go either way. Both are very talented players with high upside. You can make an argument that Johnson has accomplished more to this point. So what do you need? A defenseman or a Forward?

I am sure some will but that doesn't mean they should.
- ob18

they said murray if he was drafting last year could of steped rite in.....and nail is def #1 but murray is the best dman in the draft

He is god awful, which is probably the problemo with him.
- Richieattack18

Compared to who? Pronger carle coburn or mez? Of course he looks awful compared to them. But what about compared to bartulis or walker? Would you rather have one of them as your 7th? For 700k i think lilja has done his job well.

Here is the Flyers draft picks currently.

http://www.prosportstrans...tTrades/Future/Flyers.htm
- ob18

this damn thing is so confusing u made me read all the damn fine print
luckily i remember most of the trades

Compared to who? Pronger carle coburn or mez? Of course he looks awful compared to them. But what about compared to bartulis or walker? Would you rather have one of them as your 7th? For 700k i think lilja has done his job well.
- fecondo

It's all about perspective. And it goes to what Bill talked about in his blog today. I guess some don't get it. Lilja has done what he was brought here to do. And he hasn't been awful. I know what awful is. The Flyers have had some awful defenseman in the past. He isn't it.

all i hear anymore is bryz, briere, lilja and shelley all suck

We could trade up The flyers wanna fix the d that's a great way to start
- griouxmvp2012

If we did trade up that high Mathew Dumba would be my choice.

It's all about perspective. And it goes to what Bill talked about in his blog today. I guess some don't get it. Lilja has done what he was brought here to do. And he hasn't been awful. I know what awful is. The Flyers have had some awful defenseman in the past. He isn't it.
- MJL

can u throw some names out... just curious

If we did trade up that high Mathew Dumba would be my choice.
- ob18

i would want him for his last name alone

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i would want him for his last name alone
- Slammed81

Then why not d-man Slater Koekkoek (It's pronounced coo coo)

I didn't disagree. It's a crapshoot and could go either way. Both are very talented players with high upside. You can make an argument that Johnson has accomplished more to this point. So what do you need? A defenseman or a Forward?
- MJL

Rather have a shutdown d man than Johnson who is... mediocre at best defensively

i would want him for his last name alone
- Slammed81

You could go with forward Tom Wilson.......according to Bob McKenzie some scouts say his game reminds them of Milan Lucic