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I know that people never read the long posts but I'm hoping some of you will humor me on this one because I did a ton of homework for it. How much of this predicament the Sabres are in is injury related? Well I went through all 60 games and here is what I found.

I came up with a percentage of health by comparing the opening day roster with the roster of every other game this season. For the most part if a player was not in the lineup it lowered the percentage with 3 exceptions; When Enroth started BEFORE Miller was injured I didn't count that as time missed as backups will play some games. I counted Gragnani and Weber as essentially one person. If one or the other was in the lineup the percentage didn't go down, but if they both played due to one of the top 5 being injured it did. I counted Adam as part of the opening day roster up until he was sent down and Kassian assumed his spot in the starting lineup.

Here are the numbers:

89-100% healthy (0-2 injured players) - 17-9-2 (36 points out of 56)
58-84% healthy (3-8 injured players) - 9-18-5 (23 points out of 64)

The numbers don't lie. They were a playoff team until the injuries became too substantial. In fact if you want to project the numbers out over a season they are probably in the top 4 in the conference. Some other numbers:

Record with Ehrhoff out of the lineup - 1-6-1
Record with Myers out of the lineup - 4-6-2
Record with Regehr out of the lineup - 1-4-0

I'm sure people don't want to hear this, but the team isn't as bad as people want to make them out to be. They aren't a bottom 5 or probably even bottom 10 team if they stay healthy for the last 22 games (barring trades of roster players). So the question to me is would you rather have the team make the playoffs and have a chance or not, because the team is not bad enough to get a top 5 draft choice.

Interestingly enough I just heard on WGR that they are 18-11-2 when the 6 starting D were comprised of our top 7 to begin the season. Pretty much what I found myself.

I know that people never read the long posts but I'm hoping some of you will humor me on this one because I did a ton of homework for it. How much of this predicament the Sabres are in is injury related? Well I went through all 60 games and here is what I found.

I came up with a percentage of health by comparing the opening day roster with the roster of every other game this season. For the most part if a player was not in the lineup it lowered the percentage with 3 exceptions; When Enroth started BEFORE Miller was injured I didn't count that as time missed as backups will play some games. I counted Gragnani and Weber as essentially one person. If one or the other was in the lineup the percentage didn't go down, but if they both played due to one of the top 5 being injured it did. I counted Adam as part of the opening day roster up until he was sent down and Kassian assumed his spot in the starting lineup.

Here are the numbers:

89-100% healthy (0-2 injured players) - 17-9-2 (36 points out of 56)
58-84% healthy (3-8 injured players) - 9-18-5 (23 points out of 64)

The numbers don't lie. They were a playoff team until the injuries became too substantial. In fact if you want to project the numbers out over a season they are probably in the top 4 in the conference. Some other numbers:

Record with Ehrhoff out of the lineup - 1-6-1
Record with Myers out of the lineup - 4-6-2
Record with Regehr out of the lineup - 1-4-0

I'm sure people don't want to hear this, but the team isn't as bad as people want to make them out to be. They aren't a bottom 5 or probably even bottom 10 team if they stay healthy for the last 22 games (barring trades of roster players). So the question to me is would you rather have the team make the playoffs and have a chance or not, because the team is not bad enough to get a top 5 draft choice.

Interestingly enough I just heard on WGR that they are 18-11-2 when the 6 starting D were comprised of our top 7 to begin the season. Pretty much what I found myself.
- Pierceme69

Man... you have way too much time on your hands.......

Man... you have way too much time on your hands.......
- rapperray

I'm at 'work'.

I know that people never read the long posts but I'm hoping some of you will humor me on this one because I did a ton of homework for it. How much of this predicament the Sabres are in is injury related? Well I went through all 60 games and here is what I found.

I came up with a percentage of health by comparing the opening day roster with the roster of every other game this season. For the most part if a player was not in the lineup it lowered the percentage with 3 exceptions; When Enroth started BEFORE Miller was injured I didn't count that as time missed as backups will play some games. I counted Gragnani and Weber as essentially one person. If one or the other was in the lineup the percentage didn't go down, but if they both played due to one of the top 5 being injured it did. I counted Adam as part of the opening day roster up until he was sent down and Kassian assumed his spot in the starting lineup.

Here are the numbers:

89-100% healthy (0-2 injured players) - 17-9-2 (36 points out of 56)
58-84% healthy (3-8 injured players) - 9-18-5 (23 points out of 64)

The numbers don't lie. They were a playoff team until the injuries became too substantial. In fact if you want to project the numbers out over a season they are probably in the top 4 in the conference. Some other numbers:

Record with Ehrhoff out of the lineup - 1-6-1
Record with Myers out of the lineup - 4-6-2Record with Regehr out of the lineup - 1-4-0

I'm sure people don't want to hear this, but the team isn't as bad as people want to make them out to be. They aren't a bottom 5 or probably even bottom 10 team if they stay healthy for the last 22 games (barring trades of roster players). So the question to me is would you rather have the team make the playoffs and have a chance or not, because the team is not bad enough to get a top 5 draft choice.

Interestingly enough I just heard on WGR that they are 18-11-2 when the 6 starting D were comprised of our top 7 to begin the season. Pretty much what I found myself.
- Pierceme69

So what you are saying is that we can trade Myers, because his impact was negligable?

goat-mez and hope tanks, y'all

So what you are saying is that we can trade Myers, because his impact was negligable?
- Full Throttle

I would trade anyone on this team for the right deal. I don't know if I'd say 4-6-2 is negligible. That's not a good record over 12 games.

goat-mez and hope tanks, y'all
- b0s0o1

My hope tank is overflowing

So what you are saying is that we can trade Myers, because his impact was negligable?
- Full Throttle

No really he is just saying if Our top 3 d-man were healthy the whole year we would 6th 7th or 8th in the eastern conference right now...

No really he is just saying if Our top 3 d-man were healthy the whole year we would 6th 7th or 8th in the eastern conference right now...
- BuffaloKyle

Probably more like 4th or 5th, but yeah.

I'm at 'work'.
- Pierceme69

You did good work it just must have taken a lot of time.........

I know that people never read the long posts but I'm hoping some of you will humor me on this one because I did a ton of homework for it. How much of this predicament the Sabres are in is injury related? Well I went through all 60 games and here is what I found.

I came up with a percentage of health by comparing the opening day roster with the roster of every other game this season. For the most part if a player was not in the lineup it lowered the percentage with 3 exceptions; When Enroth started BEFORE Miller was injured I didn't count that as time missed as backups will play some games. I counted Gragnani and Weber as essentially one person. If one or the other was in the lineup the percentage didn't go down, but if they both played due to one of the top 5 being injured it did. I counted Adam as part of the opening day roster up until he was sent down and Kassian assumed his spot in the starting lineup.

Here are the numbers:

89-100% healthy (0-2 injured players) - 17-9-2 (36 points out of 56)
58-84% healthy (3-8 injured players) - 9-18-5 (23 points out of 64)

The numbers don't lie. They were a playoff team until the injuries became too substantial. In fact if you want to project the numbers out over a season they are probably in the top 4 in the conference. Some other numbers:

Record with Ehrhoff out of the lineup - 1-6-1
Record with Myers out of the lineup - 4-6-2
Record with Regehr out of the lineup - 1-4-0

I'm sure people don't want to hear this, but the team isn't as bad as people want to make them out to be. They aren't a bottom 5 or probably even bottom 10 team if they stay healthy for the last 22 games (barring trades of roster players). So the question to me is would you rather have the team make the playoffs and have a chance or not, because the team is not bad enough to get a top 5 draft choice.

Interestingly enough I just heard on WGR that they are 18-11-2 when the 6 starting D were comprised of our top 7 to begin the season. Pretty much what I found myself.
- Pierceme69

nice work...

i'd be interested in the "healthy" record of 17-9-2 and a breakdown of wins and losses versus playoff teams and non-playoff teams

My hope tank is overflowing
- Pierceme69

for many, there's a missing word--hope [they] tank

I would trade anyone on this team for the right deal. I don't know if Id' say 4-6-2 is negligible. That's not a good record over 12 games.
- Pierceme69

I love numbers. People analyze and percieve them how they want.

Just looking at your numbers it seems as though losing Regher and Ehfhoff had a bigger impact than losing Myers. Which may be true, but you would have to take it a step furthur and see if there absencecs coincided with each other.
I say that only becasue Robins losses could have been the result of having all three D out of the lineup, same with Ehrhoff. Myers was out but I think he was the only one of the three out at the time.

Your point about all three being healthy and in the lineup and winning holds up well under scrutiny.

for many, there's a missing word--hope
- b0s0o1[they] tank

If miller keeps this up, it would take a really dedicated team to "tank"

If miller keeps this up, it would take a really dedicated team to "tank"
- SabresFaninIndiana

that's funny...was just thinkin' about that last night...

although i don't have the empirical data, i would hazard to guess that the worst three teams in the league would have some of the worst goaltending in the league

nice work...

i'd be interested in the "healthy" record of 17-9-2 and a breakdown of wins and losses versus playoff teams and non-playoff teams
- b0s0o1

Of the 17-9-2 record we are 8-5-1 against teams currently in playoff positions and 9-4-1 against teams out of the playoffs. Pretty much even.

I love numbers. People analyze and percieve them how they want.

Just looking at your numbers it seems as though losing Regher and Ehfhoff had a bigger impact than losing Myers. Which may be true, but you would have to take it a step furthur and see if there absencecs coincided with each other.
I say that only becasue Robins losses could have been the result of having all three D out of the lineup, same with Ehrhoff. Myers was out but I think he was the only one of the three out at the time.

Your point about all three being healthy and in the lineup and winning holds up well under scrutiny.
- Full Throttle

You're dead on. 4 of the 5 games Regehr was out were when Ehrhoff was out as well. And the other game he missed took place when Myers was out. Sekera also missed a bunch of games. We were 2-4-2 without him.

Of the 17-9-2 record we are 8-5-1 against teams currently in playoff positions and 9-4-1 against teams out of the playoffs. Pretty much even.
- Pierceme69

cool...

how's about a goals for an goals against for both?

(since you're at work and all)

You're dead on. 4 of the 5 games Regehr was out were when Ehrhoff was out as well.
- Pierceme69

Regehr was the last man standing of the three, when he went down the team did too.

Now, of those 4 games that both were out, how "bad' did Miller do?

You're dead on. 4 of the 5 games Regehr was out were when Ehrhoff was out as well. And the other game he missed took place when Myers was out. Sekera also missed a bunch of games. We were 2-4-2 without him.
- Pierceme69

is that a "marc-andre gragnani is a plus-10"-type stat?

Regehr was the last man standing of the three, when he went down the team did too.

Now, of those 4 games that both were out, how "bad' did Miller do?
- Full Throttle

The 4 games Ehrhoff and Regehr were out happened to be the last 4 games of that terrible 5 game losing streak. We lost 5-0, 6-2, 4-1, and 4-2. So they gave up 19 goals in 4 games with those two both out.

The 4 games Ehrhoff and Regehr were out happened to be the last 4 games of that terrible 5 game losing streak. We lost 5-0, 6-2, 4-1, and 4-2. So they gave up 19 goals in 4 games with those two both out.
- Pierceme69

right. So was it Miller playing poorly or that we didn't have our two best D on the Ice.

Of course..Trade Miller!