This is even funnier than Dadeadheads comment. Lindstrom plays in a watered down NHL of 30 teams, Orr played with 12 to 16 teams in the league, who by the way played with 3 lines and 6 D and didn't have 5 to 6 health scratches.


Nicklas Lidstrom
NHL 1554 263 876 1139


Bobby Orr
NHL Totals 657 270 645 915

YOU DO THE MATH .
- Cometman

Which means he played with more top tier talent on his team year in and year out.

There's about 120 guys in the NHL right now that probably wouldn't have played in the AHL in the 60's and 70's.


7 norris trophys to 8

4 cups to 2


Both once in a generation players.

They will go down in history as 1a and 1b at their position just like Gretzky and Super Mario.

PHX: Vermette
CLB: 2nd rounder and 5th Rounder.

WOW. Vermette is worth a 2nd rounder.

I have confidence that Boyes could get us a 3rd and 5th now.

Does Carter's hat trick last night make any Buffalo fan want him more than the .0000000000000000001% that currently do.
- JVince117

Is carter better than roy?

Is carter better than roy?
- Full Throttle

With the way Roy is playing lately... IDK.

Over the long haul of a season.. - Yes Carter is better.

But right now. Contract now. Contract in the future - I think Roy is slightly better than Carter

Goose is worth a 2nd

This is so far off the mark. It's hard to believe that someone could actually write this.
- lacaprup

Well thats your opinion.


20 years playing at the level that he's played at, won everything a player can win, and considered the best d-man in the last 35yrs.

Is carter better than roy?
- Full Throttle

39gp 25pts

Carter is a beast this season

With the way Roy is playing lately... IDK.

Over the long haul of a season.. - Yes Carter is better.

But right now. Contract now. Contract in the future - I think Roy is slightly better than Carter
- JVince117

Carter = .74 pts / game
Roy = .79/game

Roy is cheaper and is more productive

Which means he played with more top tier talent on his team year in and year out.

There's about 120 guys in the NHL right now that probably wouldn't have played in the AHL in the 60's and 70's.


7 norris trophys to 8

4 cups to 2


Both once in a generation players.

They will go down in history as 1a and 1b at their position just like Gretzky and Super Mario.
- dadeadhead

I think Bobby Orr is the greatest defenseman in history. There is a wide gap between him and whoever the second best is.

That said, I agree that Nik Lidstrom is a generational defenseman and one of the all-time greats. Certainly the best of his era.

Bobby Orr is the best. Lidstrom is in the next tier below, with guys like Ray Bourque, Doug Harvey, Larry Robinson and Denis Potvin. All of whom are also all-time greats.

Goose is worth a 2nd
- HotSauceBlueChs

2nd rounder and then a prospect..

2nd round and a 4th.

PHX: Vermette
CLB: 2nd rounder and 5th Rounder.

WOW. Vermette is worth a 2nd rounder.

I have confidence that Boyes could get us a 3rd and 5th now.
- JVince117

CLB gets Curtis McElhinney also.

Goose is worth a 2nd
- HotSauceBlueChs

A 1st at the end of the round is basically a 2nd.

A 1st is clearly a good move, a 2nd (which will be pick 50-60) is collecting draft picks for the sake of it and they might as well negotiate with him or carry him through the rest of the season.

I'd actually prefer Darcy hang tough on this one.

CLB gets Curtis McElhinney also.
- Flynox

Who is a Goaltender that has had his share of time in the NHL as Kipper's back up wasn't he?

he is a capable NHL back up goaltender.

This is so far off the mark. It's hard to believe that someone could actually write this.
- lacaprup

I hear you there. Some of these peoples hockey IQ's are really lacking.
Nicklas Lidstrom
NHL 1554 263 876 1139

Orr with 1554 Game
NHL 1554 639 1526 2165

I think Bobby Orr is the greatest defenseman in history. There is a wide gap between him and whoever the second best is.

That said, I agree that Nik Lidstrom is a generational defenseman and one of the all-time greats. Certainly the best of his era.

Bobby Orr is the best. Lidstrom is in the next tier below, with guys like Ray Bourque, Doug Harvey, Larry Robinson and Denis Potvin. All of whom are also all-time greats.
- SabreSufferer

The problem is trying to compare players from different generation.

The further back you go the player talent on each team increases.

An 80 point season in todays game is like 120 point season back in the 80's.

I hear you there. Some of these peoples hockey IQ's are really lacking.
Nicklas Lidstrom
NHL 1554 263 876 1139

Orr with 1554 Game
NHL 1554 639 1526 2165
- Cometman

great

Which means he played with more top tier talent on his team year in and year out.

There's about 120 guys in the NHL right now that probably wouldn't have played in the AHL in the 60's and 70's.


7 norris trophys to 8

4 cups to 2


Both once in a generation players.

They will go down in history as 1a and 1b at their position just like Gretzky and Super Mario.
- dadeadhead

I'd give Orr the slight edge because he modeled a puck-moving/scoring dman, but you are pretty much dead on.
Players today are much faster and generally in much better physical shape than they were in the 70's. I remember getting by the guards and standing near the locker rooms at the Aud and seeing players smoke cigarettes between periods.

What made Orr unique was his friggin' blazing speed & puck movement.
d-men that scored like that were a unheard of

Orr was just magic to watch-

I hear you there. Some of these peoples hockey IQ's are really lacking.
Nicklas Lidstrom
NHL 1554 263 876 1139

Orr with 1554 Game
NHL 1554 639 1526 2165
- Cometman

Thanks I needed that.

I think Bobby Orr is the greatest defenseman in history. There is a wide gap between him and whoever the second best is.

That said, I agree that Nik Lidstrom is a generational defenseman and one of the all-time greats. Certainly the best of his era.

Bobby Orr is the best. Lidstrom is in the next tier below, with guys like Ray Bourque, Doug Harvey, Larry Robinson and Denis Potvin. All of whom are also all-time greats.
- SabreSufferer

We say Orr is teh best because we never saw him and can only base our opinion on three things. Stats, Highlights snippits of video, and the tall tales of our grandfathers. Revisionist history is so skewed from reality sometimes.

Lindstrom was great. Period. Who cares if he is better than Orr. its a moot point.

We say Orr is teh best because we never saw him and can only base our opinion on three things. Stats, Highlights snippits of video, and the tall tales of our grandfathers. Revisionist history is so skewed from reality sometimes.

Lindstrom was great. Period. Who cares if he is better than Orr. its a moot point.
- Full Throttle

Nobody said he is better than Orr.

I hear you there. Some of these peoples hockey IQ's are really lacking.
Nicklas Lidstrom
NHL 1554 263 876 1139

Orr with 1554 Game
NHL 1554 639 1526 2165
- Cometman

Again, it's a subjective debate. No need to get snotty about it, doesn't look good on you.

Nobody said he is better than Orr.
- dadeadhead

or vice versa.

We say Orr is teh best because we never saw him and can only base our opinion on three things. Stats, Highlights snippits of video, and the tall tales of our grandfathers. Revisionist history is so skewed from reality sometimes.

Lindstrom was great. Period. Who cares if he is better than Orr. its a moot point.
- Full Throttle

easy now...

great
- HotSauceBlueChs

What??? This is fun.

Enroth with 1,554 games played
684 wins, 80 shutouts

44

What??? This is fun.

Enroth with 1,554 games played
684 wins, 80 shutouts
- keptupl8

Best.

Of all time!