a kotalik?

hmmmm...see stafford and boyes
- b0s0o1

Touche, Stafford = Kotalik without the S/O option.

You can still make a run and drop players in trade. The pieces we can trade aren't key cogs to the Sabres machine.
- Full Throttle

that's why roy should go

i blame ryan miller
- b0s0o1

Well, there is a little truth in that. No sense in paying a goalie that much if he has to backstop a team built like buffalo currently is.

Not his fault but it's not a good situation for any goalie.

that's why roy should go
- b0s0o1

Roy is way too productive for a bargin price to let go.

Roy is way too productive for a bargin price to let go.
- Full Throttle

Sabres record since December 24, 2010 is quite damning for Roy when you compare him in the lineup vs. out of the lineup. Too much of a sample size now to be a coincidence.

A little bit of insider trading with Detroit though.
- Gunner Staal

Yzerman's been doing this for what, two years now ? He's already part of the 'Good Old Boy' system. Friends helping friends. Like Burke said - the best deals are the deals that help each team in the end.

15 years or whatever and Darcy still can't find a dancing partner.

Darcy is stuck with Rosy Palm.

Well, there is a little truth in that. No sense in paying a goalie that much if he has to backstop a team built like buffalo currently is.
- Gunner Staal

Miller is fine if he has a healthy Defense in front of him. The last Garth blog provided details on this.

Well, there is a little truth in that. No sense in paying a goalie that much if he has to backstop a team built like buffalo currently is.

Not his fault but it's not a good situation for any goalie.
- Gunner Staal

without miller, the team would have had top-10 and higher draft picks post driere...

because they've had mid-first round draft picks they've been mired in mediocrity...

therefore, i blame miller

Roy is way too productive for a bargin price to let go.
- Full Throttle

Is $4 mil a bargain for 34 points? Does it look like more of a deal compared to Staffords 28 pts for $4 mil?

Roy is way too productive for a bargin price to let go.
- Full Throttle

roy is good when the pressure is not on...see last two playoffs

I can see them keeping him and letting him walk UFA.
- Ripped Fuel

60% of the time that works every time......

Miller is fine if he has a healthy Defense in front of him. The last Garth blog provided details on this.
- Full Throttle

You lost me there....

??

Yzerman's been doing this for what, two years now ? He's already part of the 'Good Old Boy' system. Friends helping friends. Like Burke said - the best deals are the deals that help each team in the end.

15 years or whatever and Darcy still can't find a dancing partner.

Darcy is stuck with Rosy Palm.
- Pairo11

And if you make a few of those trades other GMs take notice and will want to do business. You don't always have to "win" the trade outright to make the team better. Both teams can benefit, don't know if Darcy has that mindset.

Miller is fine if he has a healthy Defense in front of him. The last Garth blog provided details on this.
- Full Throttle

garth doesn't provide details, unless it's about max webster

Is $4 mil a bargain for 34 points? Does it look like more of a deal compared to Staffords 28 pts for $4 mil?
- keptupl8

Or Leino's 18 points

And if you make a few of those trades other GMs take notice and will want to do business. You don't always have to "win" the trade outright to make the team better. Both teams can benefit, don't know if Darcy has that mindset.
- Gunner Staal

his last trade with calgary was good for both teams

Or Leino's 18 points
- Sabres95

am getting the feeling you don't like leino

Sabres record since December 24, 2010 is quite damning for Roy when you compare him in the lineup vs. out of the lineup. Too much of a sample size now to be a coincidence.
- Gunner Staal

why such a convienent sample size. They have had success with and without him. He still produces and he is a bargin. It doesn't make sense from a team standpoint to get rid of a productive center leaving the organization even weaker at that position. There is not a realistic scenrio that nets a better center in return.

without miller, the team would have had top-10 and higher draft picks post driere...

because they've had mid-first round draft picks they've been mired in mediocrity...

therefore, i blame miller
- b0s0o1

Post Driere, you don't sign the Hecht deal. You get Pommer to under $5 mil per. You long term Soupy long before the trade deadline. You don't give a winger $4.5 mil long term to take a shot at playing center. At the 2009 deadline, you cash in your Tim Connolly chip. Lalime retires 2-3 years ago. Raffi Torres' fat ass never dons the blue and gold... etc, etc, etc.

That's on the GM, not the goalie.

Is $4 mil a bargain for 34 points? Does it look like more of a deal compared to Staffords 28 pts for $4 mil?
- keptupl8

He is typically a 70 point guy. If you get rid of him now (with a bad year) you are selling low. Not good business.

why such a convienent sample size. They have had success with and without him. He still produces and he is a bargin. It doesn't make sense from a team standpoint to get rid of a productive center leaving the organization even weaker at that position. There is not a realistic scenrio that nets a better center in return.
- Full Throttle

Suit yourself. Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

Post Driere, you don't sign the Hecht deal. You get Pommer to under $5 mil per. You long term Soupy long before the trade deadline. You don't give a winger $4.5 mil long term to take a shot at playing center. At the 2009 deadline, you cash in your Tim Connolly chip. Lalime retires 2-3 years ago. Raffi Torres' fat ass never dons the blue and gold... etc, etc, etc.

That's on the GM, not the goalie.
- keptupl8

*damn...i really needed a sarcastic smiley*

Suit yourself. Denial isn't just a river in Africa.
- Gunner Staal

It's not denial, it just the facts. I want him off the team, but who is going to fill that 60-70 point void at 4 mill or less?

He is typically a 70 point guy. If you get rid of him now (with a bad year) you are selling low. Not good business.
- Full Throttle

from the Tonawanda News on January 9

“We had high expectations at the start of the year. We knew that,” said Sabres center Derek Roy, who has only eight goals and 24 points. “Going forward now there’s low expectations. So now it’s easier to play. We just play loose, play fun. Go out there and play hard."

http://tonawanda-news.com...lf-empty-at-halfway-point

from the Tonawanda News on January 9

“We had high expectations at the start of the year. We knew that,” said Sabres center Derek Roy, who has only eight goals and 24 points. “Going forward now there’s low expectations. So now it’s easier to play. We just play loose, play fun. Go out there and play hard."
- b0s0o1

I don't trust anything from Tonowanda