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Ferrarimn7
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 12.09.2008

Feb 24 @ 4:45 PM ET
Why not toss the pronger contract if we are stuck with it and he cant come back (I feel so bad for him still. Thoes interviews with his wife are awful).
- FlyersFirst

Yeah, they are awful. I really feel for him, a lot of which has to do with him dealing with her. She seems like a REAL treat. Happy to take a backseat etc etc. She'll be the one who makes the call against him playing if it's even close, so it's nice of her to at least get out ahead of it and let us know he's donezo for next year.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
If there is an amnesty clause, I don't see him here anymore, if they could/would have signed him to a 3-4 years $4-5 million per, then he probably stays.
- puckhead17


The thing it, I think it will be easy to get Bryz to waive his NMC... just as simple as sitting him on the bench and saying your not going to start...here or anywhere unless you waive... You cant do that to Briere, and because of family tied Briere would most likely say, I'm staying regardless.... Also, we dont have a replacement Goalie as much as we have 2 replacement centers...
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 4:47 PM ET
Because, in all practicality, if that is the circumstance it doesn't count against the cap.
- bodiva88


Bo, you should have this responce on like a auto reply, or quick copy and paste.... You get to say it at least once a day....
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 24 @ 4:47 PM ET
Because, in all practicality, if that is the circumstance it doesn't count against the cap.
- bodiva88


You sure about that?? Lappy's money counts agaisnt the cap right now
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 4:51 PM ET
You sure about that?? Lappy's money counts agaisnt the cap right now
- FlyersFirst

The Flyers get a cap allowance to be over the cap for the amount of the injured players contract. Technically it counts, but it doesnt.
2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Feb 24 @ 4:54 PM ET
Would any GM in their right mind take on Bryz's contract?
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 24 @ 4:56 PM ET
The Flyers get a cap allowance to be over the cap for the amount of the injured players contract. Technically it counts, but it doesnt.
- RooNosHockey


LTIR allowance is not the same thing. It helps during the season to go "over the cap" But, as I understand it, we still have to be cap compliant (without LTIR) when the puck drops on opening day. Thus, I dont belive that you can use Pronger's cap hit to make a long term deal with another player that would put you over the cap.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 24 @ 4:57 PM ET
Would any GM in their right mind take on Bryz's contract?
- 2731color

why would anyone give him that contract
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 5:00 PM ET
LTIR allowance is not the same thing. It helps during the season to go "over the cap" But, as I understand it, we still have to be cap compliant (without LTIR) when the puck drops on opening day. Thus, I dont belive that you can use Pronger's cap hit to make a long term deal with another player that would put you over the cap.
- FlyersFirst


And Pronger would be placed on LTIR on day 1. The only time Pronger cap hit would hinder us is during the offseason, but you are allowed to be 10% over the cap at that point.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 5:01 PM ET
Would any GM in their right mind take on Bryz's contract?
- 2731color


Sure... Islander, and Tampa to name 2.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:03 PM ET
Don't forget the Porn Bots!
- flyguy12


Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 24 @ 5:03 PM ET
LTIR allowance is not the same thing. It helps during the season to go "over the cap" But, as I understand it, we still have to be cap compliant (without LTIR) when the puck drops on opening day. Thus, I dont belive that you can use Pronger's cap hit to make a long term deal with another player that would put you over the cap.
- FlyersFirst


Before the season, a team can be over the cap by 10 percent but that includes players who are going to start/spend season on LTIR.

bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:05 PM ET
Bo, you should have this responce on like a auto reply, or quick copy and paste.... You get to say it at least once a day....
- RooNosHockey

I know, right?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:05 PM ET
The Flyers get a cap allowance to be over the cap for the amount of the injured players contract. Technically it counts, but it doesnt.
- RooNosHockey

Which is why I say, "in all practicality."
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 5:08 PM ET
If the new CBA allows the Flyers to rid themselves of one contract. Keeping a close eye on Bryz, I am using it on Briere. If Briere doesn't do anything in the playoffs and won't waive his NMC, I Redden his ass and have the kids play his minutes. But thats some chunk of change in Briere and Pronger the Flyers would choke on.
- Just5

You can't Redden a NMC, especially if the player refuses to waive it.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:09 PM ET
You can't Redden a NMC, especially if the player refuses to waive it.
- BulliesPhan87

Correct. The best you can do is buy a guy out, like the Rangers did Captain Dreary.
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 24 @ 5:15 PM ET
Before the season, a team can be over the cap by 10 percent but that includes players who are going to start/spend season on LTIR.
- bmeltzer


Ok so the only problem with Prong's contract from a cap perspective is that he eats up $4.9m of our 10% summer allowance ($6.4M if the cap were to stay the same) and since he can stay on LTIR on day one, we would be complaint. That makes sense and is a relief.

Ok, well then that said, i might consider using our CBA Amnisity on Bryz if he doesnt improve/become more consistant. I still have faith, however, that he will be ok. He look pretty good last night.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 5:18 PM ET
Correct. The best you can do is buy a guy out, like the Rangers did Captain Dreary.
- bodiva88

And looking at the buyout calculator for Briere, I definitely would not consider that option.
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 24 @ 5:20 PM ET
And looking at the buyout calculator for Briere, I definitely would not consider that option.
- BulliesPhan87


Danny will be fine come the playoffs. Plus he really did make a nice play to set up Jags to beat the Jets.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:21 PM ET
Correct. The best you can do is buy a guy out, like the Rangers did Captain Dreary.
- bodiva88


Even on a NMC the player has to okay that, correct?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 5:22 PM ET
Danny will be fine come the playoffs. Plus he really did make a nice play to set up Jags to beat the Jets.
- FlyersFirst

I'm not worried about Briere, I agree he'll be fine.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:22 PM ET
Even on a NMC the player has to okay that, correct?
- ob18

why would he?
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 5:25 PM ET
Even on a NMC the player has to okay that, correct?
- ob18


You dont have to okay a buyout. But everyone was talking about the amnesty...
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:25 PM ET
Even on a NMC the player has to okay that, correct?
- ob18

No.

Drury considered grieving it because he claimed to be injured, and that caused an uproar, but then realized he'd get roughly the same money either way (and his business wouldn't be helped by bad feelings) so he went quietly.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 5:27 PM ET
No.

Drury considered grieving it because he claimed to be injured, and that caused an uproar, but then realized he'd get roughly the same money either way (and his business wouldn't be helped by bad feelings) so he went quietly.

- bodiva88


hmmm, my bad
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