No I can't. Top pairing d-men aren't exactly growing on trees. Teams don't trade them very often. Free Agency is the most realistic way to add one.

I'm not saying Suter is Chara, Weber, or Pronger, but he's better than Matt Carle. You are getting Suter to replace Timonen in actuality. Suter has every bit the chance to be as good if not better than Kimmo has been. Is that worth paying 7mm for? I say definitely yes.
- PLindbergh31

Better than Kimmo??????

Again, do not realize what you have until he's not here anymore

Suter is going to command that $ because he's coming out of a winning team, & playing with the best D man in the league, (mainly), he's worth 5, or 5.5, but no way 7, he wont be playing with Weber when he leaves Nashville thats for sure

The question is, do you pay $7mm for Suter or $5mm or so for Carle? IMO, Suter's not worth $2mm more than Carle.
- Jsaquella

I haven't seen enough of Suter to judge his value, but under no circumstance would I give Carle $5 million.
I don't doubt that a lousy team will find Carle worthy of a $5 million deal, but on a good team, that is too much money tied up in an average player.

There needs to be some focus on acquiring a current (or potential) number 1 or 2 d-man, since Pronger is unlikely to play, and Timonen has only 1 year remaining. Paying your 4th or 5th d-man $5 million makes that really hard to accomplish.

Well if you aren't willing to give Suter 7mm, don't waste money giving Carle 5+. That doesn't make any sense.
- PLindbergh31

Of course it makes sense. Suter isn't head and shoulders above Carle. It's like buying a camaro instead of a corvette. You save money and still have a badass ride. I think you're overvaluing Suter and undervaluing Carle.

I haven't seen enough of Suter to judge his value, but under no circumstance would I give Carle $5 million.
I don't doubt that a lousy team will find Carle worthy of a $5 million deal, but on a good team, that is too much money tied up in an average player.

There needs to be some focus on acquiring a current (or potential) number 1 or 2 d-man, since Pronger is unlikely to play, and Timonen has only 1 year remaining. Paying your 4th or 5th d-man $5 million makes that really hard to accomplish.
- hobo

Pronger in his hey day made up to $10 million a year, Carle is worth at least 1/2 his salary, so yes Carle is worth 5 but I don't think Suter is worth 2 million a year more than he.

Of course it makes sense. Suter isn't head and shoulders above Carle. It's like buying a camaro instead of a corvette. You save money and still have a badass ride. I think you're overvaluing Suter and undervaluing Carle.
- JoeRussomanno

agreed, Digiorno man

Better than Kimmo??????

Again, do not realize what you have until he's not here anymore

Suter is going to command that $ because he's coming out of a winning team, & playing with the best D man in the league, (mainly), he's worth 5, or 5.5, but no way 7, he wont be playing with Weber when he leaves Nashville thats for sure
- puckhead17

Sure he can be at least Kimmo's equal, and maybe better. Timonen came to the Flyers at 32-33 yrs of age, Suter would be 27-28 when the Flyers sign him. Majority of the contract he would be in his prime years.

Pronger in his hey day made up to $10 million a year, Carle is worth at least 1/2 his salary, so yes Carle is worth 5 but I don't think Suter is worth 2 million a year more than he.
- puckhead17

To a bad team, probably. But not to a good team. There is too much cap space being eaten by top quality players.

agreed, Digiorno man
- puckhead17

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Of course it makes sense. Suter isn't head and shoulders above Carle. It's like buying a camaro instead of a corvette. You save money and still have a badass ride. I think you're overvaluing Suter and undervaluing Carle.
- JoeRussomanno

So sign Carle to a 5+ contract, and after Kimmo leaves next year, Carle is the teams # 1 dman? That will work well.

I haven't seen enough of Suter to judge his value, but under no circumstance would I give Carle $5 million.
I don't doubt that a lousy team will find Carle worthy of a $5 million deal, but on a good team, that is too much money tied up in an average player.

There needs to be some focus on acquiring a current (or potential) number 1 or 2 d-man, since Pronger is unlikely to play, and Timonen has only 1 year remaining. Paying your 4th or 5th d-man $5 million makes that really hard to accomplish.
- hobo

Carle is more than our "fourth or fifth defenseman". Going back to what was said, what if Suter doesn't hit the market? It's been said there's really not an apparent trade route to take, so is it really addition from subtraction, then, if the Flyers let a top four defenseman walk unreplaced?

So sign Carle to a 5+ contract, and after Kimmo leaves next year, Carle is the teams # 1 dman? That will work well.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not saying he's the number 1 dman. I'm saying you replace that dman when it's time to replace him. You don't know if Kimmo will definitely leave after that deal is up either. He might agree to stay one more year too. Also who knows what's gonna happen with Weber this summer. The way the NHL is set up I'd like to once have a cap cushion and be ready to enter the sweepstakes of any suddenly available player. There always is someone every year that becomes available. No need to go out and overpay for someone because of what you think will happen in a year or two.

No I can't. Top pairing d-men aren't exactly growing on trees. Teams don't trade them very often. Free Agency is the most realistic way to add one.

I'm not saying Suter is Chara, Weber, or Pronger, but he's better than Matt Carle. You are getting Suter to replace Timonen in actuality. Suter has every bit the chance to be as good if not better than Kimmo has been. Is that worth paying 7mm for? I say definitely yes.
- PLindbergh31

Exactly. A lot of you guys are really understating Suter's worth. The guy fits perfectly into the role of replacing Kimmo, who fit perfectly into the role of replacing Desjardins.

I'm not sure why you guys are being so fickle about this. So we sign Carle to 5 this year and lose Kimmo after next year? What is the 1-2 line after next season? You don't expect Homer to have to pay even more then?

So sign Carle to a 5+ contract, and after Kimmo leaves next year, Carle is the teams # 1 dman? That will work well.
- PLindbergh31

The pursuit of a #1 defenseman doesn't have to end just because this coming summer has passed, nor because Carle is resigned.

Carle is more than our "fourth or fifth defenseman". Going back to what was said, what if Suter doesn't hit the market? It's been said there's really not an apparent trade route to take, so is it really addition from subtraction, then, if the Flyers let a top four defenseman walk unreplaced?
- BulliesPhan87

Carle has shown he can easily be a number two when paired with the right guy. I don't know why everyone wants to kill him because he couldn't carry a rookie this year. He's a top four defenseman, you can't just let him walk.

Carle is more than our "fourth or fifth defenseman". Going back to what was said, what if Suter doesn't hit the market? It's been said there's really not an apparent trade route to take, so is it really addition from subtraction, then, if the Flyers let a top four defenseman walk unreplaced?
- BulliesPhan87

Timonen 1
Meszaros 2
Coburn 3
Carle or Kubina 4 or 5
Grossman 6

I can't see the value in committing big money to a 4th or 5th d-man. Better to wait and leave open the possibility of acquiring a better player. You can get a guy to fill Carle's role in the meantime for much less.

Exactly. A lot of you guys are really understating Suter's worth. The guy fits perfectly into the role of replacing Kimmo, who fit perfectly into the role of replacing Desjardins.

I'm not sure why you guys are being so fickle about this. So we sign Carle to 5 this year and lose Kimmo after next year? What is the 1-2 line after next season? You don't expect Homer to have to pay even more then?
- hereticpride

Yea but he will have the cap space to do it next year when Kimmo comes off the books. You don't know that Kimmo won't extend for another year either.

Exactly. A lot of you guys are really understating Suter's worth. The guy fits perfectly into the role of replacing Kimmo, who fit perfectly into the role of replacing Desjardins.

I'm not sure why you guys are being so fickle about this. So we sign Carle to 5 this year and lose Kimmo after next year? What is the 1-2 line after next season? You don't expect Homer to have to pay even more then?
- hereticpride

I'm with you. If Suter is available he has to be the main priority. You just don't know when another top pairing guy will become available.

So sign Carle to a 5+ contract, and after Kimmo leaves next year, Carle is the teams # 1 dman? That will work well.
- PLindbergh31

This isn't so much a #1 #2 #3 #4 rating the way we have our D assembled, if so Mez is better than a #5 on the 3rd unit all the time

We have more so an assembly of quantity than top unit quality, and Mez in a good example of how much better a D man can play, proper positioning or confidence he exudes when he has a partner with skill or talent.

The pursuit of a #1 defenseman doesn't have to end just because this coming summer has passed, nor because Carle is resigned.
- BulliesPhan87

True, my point is if Suter get to FA, he should be a top priority. You can't forecast when another top pairing guy will become available.

The pursuit of a #1 defenseman doesn't have to end just because this coming summer has passed, nor because Carle is resigned.
- BulliesPhan87

YUP!!

Timonen 1
Meszaros 2
Coburn 3
Carle or Kubina 4 or 5
Grossman 6

I can't see the value in committing big money to a 4th or 5th d-man. Better to wait and leave open the possibility of acquiring a better player. You can get a guy to fill Carle's role in the meantime for much less.
- hobo

Really you're 2nd highest scoring defenseman is #4 or 5?

Timonen 1
Meszaros 2
Coburn 3
Carle or Kubina 4 or 5
Grossman 6

I can't see the value in committing big money to a 4th or 5th d-man. Better to wait and leave open the possibility of acquiring a better player. You can get a guy to fill Carle's role in the meantime for much less.
- hobo

I think you're really underestimating Carle's impact here. And you really can't get a guy to fill that role for cheap, I think we saw that in the Goligoski trade and subsequent signing.

This isn't so much a #1 #2 #3 #4 rating the way we have our D assembled, if so Mez is better than a #5 on the 3rd unit all the time

We have more so an assembly of quantity than top unit quality, and Mez in a good example of how much better a D man can play, proper positioning or confidence he exudes when he has a partner with skill or talent.
- puckhead17

I agree it's kinda silly to label d-men 1-6, but my point was if Carle is signed to a contact of 5+ million, coupled with Timonen likely being done after next season, he's the teams top defenseman. He's not good enough to anchor the d-core.

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- ggunky

Bump

Timonen 1
Meszaros 2
Coburn 3
Carle or Kubina 4 or 5
Grossman 6

I can't see the value in committing big money to a 4th or 5th d-man. Better to wait and leave open the possibility of acquiring a better player. You can get a guy to fill Carle's role in the meantime for much less.
- hobo

You really believe Mez and Coby are better than Carle? I mean in time they may ne... but from what I've seen this year Carle is our #2. Seems like you're completely undervaluing what he does for the team in a nightly basis.