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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:29 PM ET
if they traded for Nash, they would have almost 33MM wrapped up in 5 players and I think he has to pay at least one prime rfa...
- isaiah520


If they can add Nash without giving up Del Zotto, Mcdonagh, or Stepan I think they will do it. Obviously Richards, Gaborik, Girardi, and Callahan aren't going anywhere. If I'm Howson I have to have one of the first three guys I mention. A package headlined by Dubinsky is a waste of time for Columbus. And since a first round pick is at the end of the first round that isn't worth much either.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Feb 25 @ 1:30 PM ET
The thing is, I don't see it as a modest upgrade. Suter gets underrated because he plays with Weber. He's the # 1 d-man on probably 2/3 of the teams in the NHL including the Flyers.
- PLindbergh31


if he's not top 10 in the league, he's damn close IMO

i feel like i'm one of carle's biggest supporters, i think he's the most underrated player on the team. suter is more than a modest upgrade though in my book
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:31 PM ET
Flyers offer JVR for a goalie
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 25 @ 1:32 PM ET
If they can add Nash without giving up Del Zotto, Mcdonagh, or Stepan I think they will do it. Obviously Richards, Gaborik, Girardi, and Callahan aren't going anywhere. If I'm Howson I have to have one of the first three guys I mention. A package headlined by Dubinsky is a waste of time for Columbus. And since a first round pick is at the end of the first round that isn't worth much either.
- PLindbergh31

I noticed Staal isn't listed there, would you have him on the table if you were Sather?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:32 PM ET
if he's not top 10 in the league, he's damn close IMO

i feel like i'm one of carle's biggest supporters, i think he's the most underrated player on the team. suter is more than a modest upgrade though in my book

- FlyerMike18


Yup. I think he is a fringe top 10 guy. Still pretty damn good if you have on of the best 10 d-men on your team.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:34 PM ET
I noticed Staal isn't listed there, would you have him on the table if you were Sather?
- BulliesPhan87


Not sure how to evaluate Staal. He's coming off that severe concussion, he hasn't played that well since coming back, if I was Howson I would consider Staal somewhat of a risk.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:35 PM ET
Flyers offer JVR for a goalie
- jesustouchedme


And what happens with Bobrovsky?
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:35 PM ET
And what happens with Bobrovsky?
- PLindbergh31

Traded for a Checking Center like Paul Gaustad
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 25 @ 1:36 PM ET
people said that about redden kasperitus gomez drury and some how they've managed
- 2Real

that's when they were dumping guys and going nowhere. they've decided to change course and have a minimum of hi salaried guys so that they always have a stable of young replacements by keeping and developing their own draft picks. going after Nash breaks that cycle and at 7.8 per, it's quite a cap burden. not to mention any chemistry issues...
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:37 PM ET
Pens taking it to Bolts...3-0 in first already
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:38 PM ET
Traded for a Checking Center like Paul Gaustad
- jesustouchedme


Buffalo doesn't need a goaltender. Columbus might be in the market for Bobrovsky, but I don't see a match with them.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:39 PM ET
Pens taking it to Bolts...3-0 in first already
- Buzzo


Bolts are showcasing Roloson.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 25 @ 1:41 PM ET
will homer get giggy wit it?
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:42 PM ET

I bet Burke wants JVR

wrong quoted person
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:43 PM ET
will homer get giggy wit it?
- isaiah520


No way of adding a goalie without trading Bobrovsky. Bryzgalov has to step up. That's the most feasible answer.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:44 PM ET
Flyers offer JVR for a goalie
- jesustouchedme

They already have their goalie
jesustouchedme
Location: me0w
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:44 PM ET
They already have their goalie
- fecondo

then god help them
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 25 @ 1:50 PM ET
God, I hope someone else gets involved and drives the price up for Nash. NYR is the last place we need him to go at a discounted price.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 25 @ 1:50 PM ET
They already have their goalie
- fecondo

that's a plan of failure for this yr. our goaltending this yr is worse than last yrs and there has to be a contingency plan. that does not imply that bryz can't bounce back nxt yr, but for this yr it's likely a pipe dream and homer owes the fans better than that.

I understand that to make such a move, homer would have to receive value for bob, but w/ carle looming as a ufa and the way this team is closing the GM has to try and balance doing better for this yr while not missing out on opps going forward.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:50 PM ET
then god help them
- jesustouchedme

Given up on him after what 45 games?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 25 @ 1:52 PM ET
Not sure about the dollars but Suter is a much better dman than Carle at both ends of the rink. I think that is a nobrainer for anyone who watches both players. Would spend the money of Suter and let Carle sign for less or leave.
- flyerdude17

no way i settle for carle when we could have suter that's just ludicrous
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 25 @ 1:52 PM ET
God, I hope someone else gets involved and drives the price up for Nash. NYR is the last place we need him to go at a discounted price.
- hereticpride

I don't see howson discounting to move Nash now. there's no good reason and any team acquiring him will feel the sting to some degree.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 25 @ 1:53 PM ET
that's when they were dumping guys and going nowhere. they've decided to change course and have a minimum of hi salaried guys so that they always have a stable of young replacements by keeping and developing their own draft picks. going after Nash breaks that cycle and at 7.8 per, it's quite a cap burden. not to mention any chemistry issues...
- isaiah520

I dunno Richards Nash Gaborik would be pretty hard to stop
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 25 @ 1:53 PM ET
then god help them
- jesustouchedme


He has been a huge disappointment, but we are only talking about 40 starts. Have to give Bryzgalov some time to adjust to a new city, conference, teammates etc. That transition period is over now, but you have to consider it for the first half of the season.

If you break down his 40 starts he's had about 10 terrible games that have really skewed his overall numbers. I would say just going on memory alone he's had 10 brutal starts, 15 average starts, and about 15 starts in which he has been solid.

No reason to give up on him now, I'm giving him the rest of this year, and next year before I consider him a "bust".
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 25 @ 1:53 PM ET
Given up on him after what 45 games?
- fecondo

bet he needs this yr to figure it out when viewed in hindsight.
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