Schenn >> Phaneuf
- noename09

You better be sarcastic noename........ cause i'm in a real foul mood this morning.

I literally turned off the tv after the first goal. I saw enough

JML and Gardiner (eventually)...... And our first pass out is fine when they are going. JML, Gardiner, Gunner and especially Franson do it well. Our D isn't the problem. Its systmes. We get hemmed into our zone far too much. they can't get it out even when they get control because the system has them playing far too low in the zone and thus they are allowing the opposition Dmen to pinch far too much and far too easily which enables them to keep the puck in more than any other team. Playing the wingers too low also doesn't allow them to create speed. It's a massively flawed system that is now in it's 4th year of epic failure with no adjustment.

19 more games of this poop.
- burn

First pass is good, but speed is crucial to quickly pressure forwards entering your zone .And to be able to outskate forwards for lose pucks thus trapping forecheckers to create odd man situations on the offense.This is the major component missing on the leaf blueline,its better than it was last year for sure, but more is needed if toronto is going to continue to relie on smaller skilled forwards up front

3 things need to happen first.

Get rid of that stiff known has Schenn

Get rid of that Junior B goalie known as Reimer

Then get rid of RW....... he is a defeated man


FRANK ME!!!!!!!!!!!


- faceto27

Schenn and Reimer are two young guys who need time to develop their game....not fair to either of them. Theyll come around. Its not Reimers fault he had great numbers and the world expected him to carry the team on his own and not slump in his second year....where the coach has no faith in him to let him play MORE THAN a game here and there. Stick....with....one....goalie.

The fire RW stuff....I dont know anymore....why not. Team wasnt supposed to do great, but this is aweful.

Glucky is a blind homer motherfranker.......... according to him changing coaches is the soloution

Newsflash.......... the coach can't stop the franken bonehead plays they make when they are on the ice.

Seriously......... Schenn is franken horrible. And I can't believe there are morons that seriously believe he is a stud shutdown defensemen. The only thing he shuts down is our ability to win games.
- faceto27

Yeah, he didn't look good on that first goal (Schenn).

that giant turd has at least one of those every damn game

Please take him off our hands........ PLEASE!!!
- faceto27

I would love him on the sens ,Cowen schenn on the pk

Keep doing what isn't working seems to be the answer?

Dump it in maybe?? figure out a different way to carry it in?

ignorance is bliss it guess...... it's pretty awesome for you to go around questioning others and yet the nonsense you spew is so full of BS. If you haven't seen a suggestion then you are ignoring what you doing care for.
- burn

Good suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have anyone in our lineup that can play the chip and chase game. We're too small....and a very weak board team. Good try though.

And I'm not questioning anyone....just you.....as you're the only one on these threads that female doges but never comes up with a solution.

TopShelf15 came up with a decent suggestion about our D...didn't see me criticize that did you?

Hes so overrated. Packaged him in a deal to Columbus for Nash
- leafsfan6

Howson is a bad GM....... but he isn't that stupid to take on that turd. And that turd makes 3.5 million to boot. HOLY CRAP

You better be sarcastic noename........ cause i'm in a real foul mood this morning.

I literally turned off the tv after the first goal. I saw enough
- faceto27

not at all....seriously....Phaneuf has been our worst defender of late.

- burn

Bad choice of words sorry,but you understand what iam getting at their two way guys are good Gardener, phaneuf and gunner its their defensive guys like schenn,komi.that bring the unit down

Good suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have anyone in our lineup that can play the chip and chase game. We're too small....and a very weak board team. Good try though.

And I'm not questioning anyone....just you.....as you're the only one on these threads that female doges but never comes up with a solution.

TopShelf15 came up with a decent suggestion about our D...didn't see me criticize that did you?
- Pen15

Never?? Or numerous?

Good suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have anyone in our lineup that can play the chip and chase game. We're too small....and a very weak board team. Good try though.

And I'm not questioning anyone....just you.....as you're the only one on these threads that female doges but never comes up with a solution.

TopShelf15 came up with a decent suggestion about our D...didn't see me criticize that did you?
- Pen15

If you dump it in properly it doesn't matter. You get there first, overload and you win get the puck. The Leafs get outmaned on the PP for (frank)s sakes.... Why? because no one knows what is going on. NOt organized.

not at all....seriously....Phaneuf has been our worst defender of late.
- noename09

Maybe he has not played his best......... but c'mon man. No way he has been anywhere near the garbage that the big galook has been. Even Gardiner is afraid to play his normal game cause of Schenn's stupid moronic giveaways. Last night.. the obvious. Saturday night, gets his back pocket picked coming out, leads to second goal.

As much as I don't like Reimer, if I was Reimer i'd be franken swinging my stick at him.

Speaking of Reimer. The MO on him is very very simple. High glove side, and he is absoutely toast. Never mind sophmore jinx crap. Never mind concussion BS. His goddamn GAA is over 4 the past 10 games. If he was middle reliever in baseball with that number they'd get rid of him.

And all this BS of pressure from the trade deadline etc. That Toronto is probably the most difficult city to play in pressure wise, is BS. Try franken playing in New York City any sport. Try playing football in Dallas, where the first 8 pages of the sports section disects every moment of every day for every player. And thats in the off season

Howson is a bad GM....... but he isn't that stupid to take on that turd. And that turd makes 3.5 million to boot. HOLY CRAP
- faceto27

youre not really being that fair with Schenn. His defensive role is magnified when the rest of the defense is playing so poorly and we havnt had great tending....his role isnt to carry the puck out score goals and make beautiful passes. His role is to stop guys, put them on their butts and make peoples lives miserable. Dont expect a Drew Doughty or Lidstrom out of this kid...but dont beat up on him solely because the rest of our defense/goaltending is crap.

I blame Phaneuf...who is the captain...who cant seem to do jacksheit out there on defense and has been on for about 75% of the goals. He needs to up his game. Hes been around long enough.

If you dump it in properly it doesn't matter. You get there first, overload and you win get the puck. The Leafs get outmaned on the PP for (frank)s sakes.... Why? because no one knows what is going on. NOt organized.
- burn

No burn...it does matter...it actually matters a lot.

We're not a board team. We don't have one line that can cycle effectively for a prolonged period of time. We are a one dimensional fast break team...simple as that.

Never?? Or numerous?
- burn

Your fundamental solution to all the leafs woes is 'fire wilson'...

Anything you ever post always reverts back to that.

You call me blind without even realizing how simplistic of a solution that actually is...

youre not really being that fair with Schenn. His defensive role is magnified when the rest of the defense is playing so poorly and we havnt had great tending....his role isnt to carry the puck out score goals and make beautiful passes. His role is to stop guys, put them on their butts and make peoples lives miserable. Dont expect a Drew Doughty or Lidstrom out of this kid...but dont beat up on him solely because the rest of our defense/goaltending is crap.

I blame Phaneuf...who is the captain...who cant seem to do jacksheit out there on defense and has been on for about 75% of the goals. He needs to up his game. Hes been around long enough.
- noename09

I will say this of Phaneuf............ he is no captain.

The true captains, would grab these guys by the scruff of the neck and shake them up.

MacArthur......... seriously, Burke had an opportunity for a first round pick for him?? Seriously?? and he didn't take it??

Burke your a franken moron if you think MacArthur is better than any first round pick. MacArthur is such a soft perimiter player. He only produces when Grabo sets him up for a open net. Lousy on the cycle..... can't go in corners. And last night takes a stupid bone head penalty.

The third line is totally, totally. ....... USELESS

Your fundamental solution to all the leafs woes is 'fire wilson'...

Anything you ever post always reverts back to that.

You call me blind without even realizing how simplistic of a solution that actually is...
- Pen15

Sooo...I just got an offer from a team in fantasy giving me

Toews + Sharp

OR

Sharp + Benn + M. Richards

for Karlsson and T. Ruutu

I'm pretty high of Karlsson because of the points categories he dominates (g/a/pts/ppts/def pts)
but this seems like a big overpayment, no?
Should I do it? Which one?

No burn...it does matter...it actually matters a lot.

We're not a board team. We don't have one line that can cycle effectively for a prolonged period of time. We are a one dimensional fast break team...simple as that.
- Pen15

Much like Montreal in the last few years.

Jacques Martin used a system that was based on a solid team defense, scoring on breaks on the rush and a good powerplay.

Your fundamental solution to all the leafs woes is 'fire wilson'...

Anything you ever post always reverts back to that.

You call me blind without even realizing how simplistic of a solution that actually is...
- Pen15

RW should be fired, not cause he's a bad coach, but more for the fact the team isn't responding to him anymore.

A new coach is NOT going to help matters much. We have a first line without a 1C......... problem one.

Second line, we have a 2C, but at best, at best, we have one 2nd line winger.

Third line is totally totally useless.

We have Schenn on defense playing top four minutes, when he doesn't deserve them.

We have no number one goalie. Gustaffson is good back up goalie, Reimer is a junior B goalie.

I will say this of Phaneuf............ he is no captain.

The true captains, would grab these guys by the scruff of the neck and shake them up.

MacArthur......... seriously, Burke had an opportunity for a first round pick for him?? Seriously?? and he didn't take it??

Burke your a franken moron if you think MacArthur is better than any first round pick. MacArthur is such a soft perimiter player. He only produces when Grabo sets him up for a open net. Lousy on the cycle..... can't go in corners. And last night takes a stupid bone head penalty.

The third line is totally, totally. ....... USELESS
- faceto27

MacArthur was a conditional pick....

No burn...it does matter...it actually matters a lot.

We're not a board team. We don't have one line that can cycle effectively for a prolonged period of time. We are a one dimensional fast break team...simple as that.
- Pen15

To me and this is just my opinion here ,is that it looks like toronto is trying to have the small fast skill montreal style team up front ,coupled to a boston smashmouth style defensive unit on the backend.

MacArthur was a conditional pick....
- noename09

What was the condition......... that Burke provides a nice JB?

Much like Montreal in the last few years.

Jacques Martin used a system that was based on a solid team defense, scoring on breaks on the rush and a good powerplay.
- Pecafan Fan

Thats the solution.

We need to stop sending in 2 guys deep....

I think it's as simple as 1 deep, 2 guys high...clog up the neutral zone and cause turnovers, leading to odd man rushes and fast breaks.

MacArthur was a conditional pick....
- noename09

upon a certain playoff depth? Any idea what it would fall to if the criteria wasn't met?

Much like Montreal in the last few years.

Jacques Martin used a system that was based on a solid team defense, scoring on breaks on the rush and a good powerplay.
- Pecafan Fan

Toronto has a very simmerlar team up front with some very speedy forwards,the defensive unit however is totally different than the type montreal employed