Spezza back to life is one of the biggest. Back to his old form at last after those injury riddled seasons.
- AdamFrench

Agreed Alfie playing well ,michalek being back on track.Kuba and gonchar having better seasons These are pretty signifigant pieces for any team to lose ,yet we lost all of them for large chunks of the season last year.Take that out of any lineup and you are a lottery team

who else was available around him that wasnt a complete surprise (like Zetterberg late pick surpirse kinda thing)?
- noename09

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No no no........ you only know what Scenn is like. The rest of the players in the draft all you have are scouting reports.

Would you still pick him as the fifth overall pick?

who else was available around him that wasnt a complete surprise (like Zetterberg late pick surpirse kinda thing)?
- noename09

exactly. only player ranked as high as him was Filatov - was basically a toss-up between them but Leafs needed D, and still a better pick than Filatov. Meyers didn't go till 12th, so 7 other teams had him that low.

Some will say Hodgson, but he wasn't highly touted then either, and I'd say his career has illustrated that.

This is silly, we have the talent to win more than we have been... Wake up boys

If this team were to trade away Schenn it would be exactly like the last 10 years.

Which has been like a merry-go-round that never ends and with each revolution the people we let off punch us square in the co ck.
- markmark

Exactly.

I find it funny how quickly we love to turn on our top prospects, then cry about how we always trade away said prospects.

who else was available around him that wasnt a complete surprise (like Zetterberg late pick surpirse kinda thing)?
- noename09

Hodgson, Myers, Bailey, Wilson, Boedker and Filatov.

myers ..eberle
- jiri_crha

Bullpoop

you saw something scouts for 20 NHL teams did not?

Eberle was a surprise. He was too small and to slow (at the time) to be taken that high

Bullpoop

you saw something scouts for 20 NHL teams did not.

Eberle was a surprise. He was too small and to slow (at the time) to be taken that high
- Big_Lightnin

I saw him play several times before he was drafted and thought he was special

I will agree with you on all counts. With the caveat, most defensemen are fine in a defense first system.

On Reimer, you have hit it bang on. The book is out, and it is a National Bestseller
- faceto27

I want to see reimer given a chance next year, both Jonas Hiller and Ryan miller took a while to come back from head injury, and they are world class goalies.

Hodgson, Myers, Bailey, Wilson, Boedker and Filatov.
- AdamFrench

karlsson, Del Zotto, Gardiner, Boychuk

i'm gonna come right out and say it:

anyone saying they wouldnt of picked schenn in the 5th spot is fooling themselves

every team had the exact same list when it came to the top 5 that year

I want to see reimer given a chance next year, both Jonas Hiller and Ryan miller took a while to come back from head injury, and they are world class goalies.
- ky678468

Its been over two months now........ the cob webs are long gone

karlsson, Del Zotto, Gardiner, Boychuk
- faceto27

Not as high ranked, I thought we weren't talking hindsight but what could have happened in the draft.

I will agree with you on all counts. With the caveat, most defensemen are fine in a defense first system.

On Reimer, you have hit it bang on. The book is out, and it is a National Bestseller
- faceto27

The "book" would have been out on Reimer long ago. If his glove hand were truly his biggest problem, it would have been exposed long before now.

He played effectively all last year, he plauyed effectively to begin this season, and after finally getting on track after injury late in January, he played effectively for a good stretch then, as well.

We're watching an entire team meltdown becuase of one man: Ron Wilson.

It's not Reimer's glove hand, it's the space between his ears. Ron Wilson has pulled an epic mind(frank) on this kid.

karlsson, Del Zotto, Gardiner, Boychuk
- faceto27

bullpoop, bullpoop, bullpoop, and bullpoop.

Leafs make any of those picks 5th overall, and Fletcher would have literally been stoned in the street.

i'm gonna come right out and say it:

anyone saying they wouldnt of picked schenn in the 5th spot is fooling themselves

every team had the exact same list when it came to the top 5 that year
- Dozzer

That is fine Dozzer........ I agree. What I am saying though is this....... who still thinks he is a 5th overall prospect?

Not as high ranked, I thought we weren't talking hindsight but what could have happened in the draft.
- AdamFrench

we are, hence my string of bullpoops

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No no no........ you only know what Scenn is like. The rest of the players in the draft all you have are scouting reports.

Would you still pick him as the fifth overall pick?
- faceto27

I would still pick Schenn....I think its early and you guys are being too critical. Its easy to point fingers right now....the team stinks. But he will be good in a few years. Hell be the guy you want out there sitting guys down. Sorry he cant live up to the expectations of Leafs nation this early, on a struggling team.

But again I say....what about the captain. Schenn is a bottom pairing defender, and a shutdown guy with no leadership responsibilities. Dion is the captain and is supposed to be the guy we look up to right now to turn this crap around cause the coach cant. Well, hows that going. The guy should be a forward.

That is fine Dozzer........ I agree. What I am saying though is this....... who still thinks he is a 5th overall prospect?
- faceto27

you're making a bad argument here. He is a 5th overall because that's what he is. can't look at him in a vaccum - it can only be based on who else was available, and how they were ranked at the time.

Exactly.

I find it funny how quickly we love to turn on our top prospects, then cry about how we always trade away said prospects.
- Leeman4Gilmour

trade Schenn, Reimer, Mac, Grabo, and Kulemin for a few picks.....THEN we will be a good team.

Its been over two months now........ the cob webs are long gone
- faceto27

So miller is a bust too? took Hiller half a season to come back to form and some would say he still isn't there. I want to see reimer after off-season with a team that plays defense in front of him.

Ken Beckett: Sinking Their Claws In - Panthers Hand Leafs Ninth Loss in Ten Games
- Ken Beckett

there was music to my ears last night

FIRE WILSON FIRE WILSON

Hodgson, Myers, Bailey, Wilson, Boedker and Filatov.
- AdamFrench

Hodgson sure...Myers was ranked lower, the rest....no thanks.

Hodgson sure...Myers was ranked lower, the rest....no thanks.
- noename09

Just listing the guys that ranked around him.