Steve Yzerman, Forsberg, Sakic.. and many more had a rough second year... they turned out ok..

You have selective memory...
- DoctorNHL

all overrated ,soft players

and yzerman had more points in his second year then first
just lesser goals

yes, those guys ended up being great goalies.
- Rockhead_37

yes, those guys ended up being great goalies.
- Rockhead_37

yes, those guys ended up being great goalies.
- Rockhead_37

Lol'ed

yes, those guys ended up being great goalies.
- Rockhead_37

If Burke had half a brain he would of traded Reimer for a 1st.
Then used his second to acquire Harding.

Too bad Reimer "is the real deal"

How do our four other GM's not see this?
- kevvinB

I dont see any teams being willing to give up a first for reimer...

Take your lips away from the crack bowl... for a second.. but the Leafs have a few elite players..

Kessel & Lupul are the number one pairing in the league.. even the Sedin Sisters don't have have as many points after today is tallied..

Now I agree with you beyond Grabo.. Brown.. it gets a little weak...

but to say they have no elite players is foolish..
- DoctorNHL

If your really going to compare Kessel and lupul to the sedins, pass me back my pipe you've had to much. Id trade kessel lupul phaneuf and two firsts for the sedins and van would still turn it down. Kessel is an all star player and lupul has been good, but their not at that level. You can't seriously think that tor's core matches anywhere near vancouvers. Yes they are elite I never said they wern't. Also if you read what I said I didnt say no elite talent, I just referred to a lack of elite talent.

If your really going to compare Kessel and lupul to the sedins, pass me back my pipe you've had to much. Id trade kessel lupul phaneuf and two firsts for the sedins and van would still turn it down. Kessel is an all star player and lupul has been good, but their not at that level. You can't seriously think that tor's core matches anywhere near vancouvers. Yes they are elite I never said they wern't. Also if you read what I said I didnt say no elite talent, I just referred to a lack of elite talent.
- kylkri

man u guys have lots of crack

If your really going to compare Kessel and lupul to the sedins, pass me back my pipe you've had to much. Id trade kessel lupul phaneuf and two firsts for the sedins and van would still turn it down. Kessel is an all star player and lupul has been good, but their not at that level. You can't seriously think that tor's core matches anywhere near vancouvers. Yes they are elite I never said they wern't. Also if you read what I said I didnt say no elite talent, I just referred to a lack of elite talent.
- kylkri

B-I-N-G-O

man u guys have lots of crack
- wingz4life

Are you looking? Datsyuk for kessel and an 8 ball

all overrated ,soft players

and yzerman had more points in his second year then first
just lesser goals
- wingz4life

Sorry you are correct.. but in his 3rd year he had 42 points.. he also had 6 seasons under 55 points.. even as low as 8 points one.. year..

So I guess he should be perfect...

Sorry you are correct.. but in his 3rd year he had 42 points.. he also had 6 seasons under 55 points.. even as low as 8 points one.. year..

So I guess he should be perfect...
- DoctorNHL

injured his knee in the 3rd season
i like how you jump from talking about backup goalies to all time great players

If your really going to compare Kessel and lupul to the sedins, pass me back my pipe you've had to much. Id trade kessel lupul phaneuf and two firsts for the sedins and van would still turn it down. Kessel is an all star player and lupul has been good, but their not at that level. You can't seriously think that tor's core matches anywhere near vancouvers. Yes they are elite I never said they wern't. Also if you read what I said I didnt say no elite talent, I just referred to a lack of elite talent.
- kylkri

Vancouver has more than Kessel & Lupul.. besides Grobo they are all we have... and the facts as in points say you are wrong... Burnt BBBulb..

injured his knee in the 3rd season
i like how you jump from talking about backup goalies to all time great players
- wingz4life

That was a really bad injury. At the time many wondered if he'd ever recover.

Sorry you are correct.. but in his 3rd year he had 42 points.. he also had 6 seasons under 55 points.. even as low as 8 points one.. year..

So I guess he should be perfect...
- DoctorNHL

How does this relate to Reimer turning awesome?

injured his knee in the 3rd season
i like how you jump from talking about backup goalies to all time great players
- wingz4life

I was just saying even the elite have their off years... not saying Reimer will get to Yzermans level.. but what is your excuse for the other 5 seasons...?

I was just saying even the elite have their off years... not saying Reimer will get to Yzermans level.. but what is your excuse for the other 5 seasons...?
- DoctorNHL

what?
are we talking about a different yzerman?
because the one im talking about scored 155 points in a season, 3rd highest total ever behind mario and 99.

and the other 5 seasons?
look up the name scotty bowman

How does this relate to Reimer turning awesome?
- robin_steele264

Crack

I was just saying even the elite have their off years... not saying Reimer will get to Yzermans level.. but what is your excuse for the other 5 seasons...?
- DoctorNHL

Ok so um. Wait I think I get it

Reimer is an elite player... Just having an off year.

And will bounce back to his standard elite level next year.

I was just saying even the elite have their off years... not saying Reimer will get to Yzermans level.. but what is your excuse for the other 5 seasons...?
- DoctorNHL

So you're saying Reimer won't be a great two way forward ?

what?
are we talking about a different yzerman?
because the one im talking about scored 155 points in a season, 3rd highest total ever behind mario and 99.

and the other 5 seasons?
look up the name scotty bowman
- wingz4life

Mr Wingz.. I think you are missing the point the I love Stevie.. if you look at it in that light you will understand that even the greatest players have offseasons..

Just a shame we couldn't have Detroit back in our Division because it wasn't until you got out of our division than you started winning..

I appreciated your Detroit teams and enjoyed more beating you regularly.. Detroit would be the cure for a Leaf slump because they would wake up for those games...

So you're saying Reimer won't be a great two way forward ?
- The_Vark

he is just being doctor demento right now

Mr Wingz.. I think you are missing the point the I love Stevie.. if you look at it in that light you will understand that even the greatest players have offseasons..

Just a shame we couldn't have Detroit back in our Division because it wasn't until you got out of our division than you started winning..

I appreciated your Detroit teams and enjoyed more beating you regularly.. Detroit would be the cure for a Leaf slump because they would wake up for those games...
- DoctorNHL

Oh yeah.


Crack.

Mr Wingz.. I think you are missing the point the I love Stevie.. if you look at it in that light you will understand that even the greatest players have offseasons..

Just a shame we couldn't have Detroit back in our Division because it wasn't until you got out of our division than you started winning..

I appreciated your Detroit teams and enjoyed more beating you regularly.. Detroit would be the cure for a Leaf slump because they would wake up for those games...
- DoctorNHL

how does this all relate goalie,james reimer though

should of brought up goaltending names
roy, brodeur, osgood

The roster is certainly no worse than Ottawa, Florida, or Winnipeg.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Ummmm... this statement is wrong. The Sens and the Jets both have goaltenders and the Sens look to have a someday stud in Lehner coming down the pipe. Just one year ago the Senators had Leclaire and Elliot in nets and now they have 3 goalies.

The Sens, Jets and Panthers all have many better prospects than the Leafs and in the Sens case their roster is littered with gritty gamers who make them very tough to play against. Can't say that about the Leafs...

It's embarrassing that the Sens have accumulated so much organizational depth and pool of good prospects in just 1 year compared to the 7 year plan the Leafs are currently going through. I don't see any Karlsson's, Spezza's, Cowen's, Michalek's, Zibanejads, etc. in the Leafs system - how the hell is this possible? When you miss the playoffs for 7 straight years there must be some sort of potential on the horizon.

I think that it's safe to say that Brian Burke and his plans are more blustery hot air than anything else. It's time to "Fire Wilson" and put Burke on watch...