i hate to even think about amnesty until it's in there. Bill, what would you say are the chances that the clause is actually included?

Briere will have three years at 6.5M left on his contract. I dont know if the Flyers would use the amnesty clause on him (if available). Briere has produced every single year in the playoffs for the Flyers. His regular seasons have been very good minus this season. You would think the Bryz contract would be the first to go (just bc of its length and NMC). I dont think it reflects that Bryz is a bad goalie but the contract length is alittle ridiculous bc it goes till he is 40.
- stveshdy

if briere is bought out next year it will only be 1mil agaisnt the cap for 2 years

Briere will have three years at 6.5M left on his contract. I dont know if the Flyers would use the amnesty clause on him (if available). Briere has produced every single year in the playoffs for the Flyers. His regular seasons have been very good minus this season. You would think the Bryz contract would be the first to go (just bc of its length and NMC). I dont think it reflects that Bryz is a bad goalie but the contract length is alittle ridiculous bc it goes till he is 40.
- stveshdy

Idk Bryz's contract made sense at the time. Obviously management was upset at the goalies play last year in the playoffs so they went out and locked up the best available goalie for the rest of his career. If he cant play at a high level at age 37-40 im sure he would retire, and hia cap wpuld come off the books anyway. So if he plays consistently well for the next 5-7 years id call it a win dor us.

if briere is bought out next year it will only be 1mil agaisnt the cap for 2 years
- mydoglicks

If he sucks in the playoffs I would do this in a hard beat.

i honestly wouldn't mind playing gus for a while and letting timonen heal up a bit
- Don'tForgetTocchet

i agree. and maybe i'm being too negative, but i honestly feel that if the flyers go into the playoffs with timonen significantly hampered by injuries they are probably toast. to me, getting him healthy and ready to go is more important than whether we finish as the 4, 5, 6, or 7 seed

if briere is bought out next year it will only be 1mil agaisnt the cap for 2 years
- mydoglicks

you mean this summer? and are you sure about that? i thought the buy out rules were 3/4 of the remaining total salary spread out over twice the amount of time. i haven't looked up what the remaining dollars are, but doesn't that mean that a buyout for briere at this point would be on the books for 6 years?

or did you mean after next season? but in that event, it would still be a four year thing

maybe i'm mistaken about the rule, but i thought that this is the way it works

EDIT: so briere has 12 mil left after this year, 3/4 of 12 is 9. so the buy out cap hit would be 1.5 mil for each of the next 6 years

i agree. and maybe i'm being too negative, but i honestly feel that if the flyers go into the playoffs with timonen significantly hampered by injuries they are probably toast. to me, getting him healthy and ready to go is more important than whether we finish as the 4, 5, 6, or 7 seed
- FlyerMike18

I think Lavi will continue to do what he has been doing since Grossman and Kubina joined the fold, and that is reduce some of his hard minutes killing penalties. If he is kept around 15 minutes a game in some games, and under 20 for all of them he may have a chance to recover some of his strength and be ready for the playoffs.

i agree. and maybe i'm being too negative, but i honestly feel that if the flyers go into the playoffs with timonen significantly hampered by injuries they are probably toast. to me, getting him healthy and ready to go is more important than whether we finish as the 4, 5, 6, or 7 seed
- FlyerMike18

exactly what i'm thinking

exactly what i'm thinking
- Don'tForgetTocchet

exactly what i'm thinking
- Don'tForgetTocchet

lier

I think Lavi will continue to do what he has been doing since Grossman and Kubina joined the fold, and that is reduce some of his hard minutes killing penalties. If he is kept around 15 minutes a game in some games, and under 20 for all of them he may have a chance to recover some of his strength and be ready for the playoffs.
- MBFlyerfan

i guess it all depends on how banged up he is. if doing this is enough, then awesome. i'm just saying that i hope they don't force him to stay in the lineup because they are over-concerned about seeding. honestly, i don't think they would do that so you're probably right

if briere is bought out next year it will only be 1mil agaisnt the cap for 2 years
- mydoglicks

Daniel Briere buyout from CapGeek.com

2012-13: $833,333
2013-14: $4,833,333
2014-15: $5,833,333
2015-16: $1,333,333
2016-17: $1,333,333
2017-18: $1,333,333

Daniel Briere buyout from CapGeek.com

2012-13: $833,333
2013-14: $4,833,333
2014-15: $5,833,333
2015-16: $1,333,333
2016-17: $1,333,333
2017-18: $1,333,333
- fecondo

Yeah, not taking two years of five to six mil in dead cap space.

Way worse than having a marginally effective Briere on the ice. We'd essentially be trading savings of a few million on the cap next season for a whole hell of a lot of dead cap space the following two seasons, and an additional three years of wasted space.

Bill, agree with you regarding Danny and Kimmo. I hate to say this but the team doesn't look like it can get out of the first round. Leading the league in scoring isn't enough. Come playoff time the defensive game is going to have to get in order: goaltending while appearing to get better lately still has a ways to go; the defensemen have gotten into the habit of backing up and up, Coburn has looked shakey and Kimmo has not looked right, just don't know if Grossman and Kubina will be enough to make a difference if the key guys aren't at their best. The fowards are prone to defensive mistakes, I like Schenn but jeez, I've seen him turn over the puck multiple times on the same shift. Faceoff work in general is not playoff caliber either in my opinion. I thought the need for a faceoff guy was just as important as defensive help for the playoffs; apparently Homer didn't think so. Also, I'm not sure how all of the young players will react to their first playoff. Put it like this: no team is dreading a Flyers matchup.

I want so see Simmonds Briere Voracek

I just cant believe Bryz's agent was able to get an NMC in that deal.
- Just5

It's very rare that any Free Agent would sign without a movement clause included. It's part of being a Free Agent and what the player has earned due to service time. Having say in where you play.

Bill, agree with you regarding Danny and Kimmo. I hate to say this but the team doesn't look like it can get out of the first round. Leading the league in scoring isn't enough. Come playoff time the defensive game is going to have to get in order: goaltending while appearing to get better lately still has a ways to go; the defensemen have gotten into the habit of backing up and up, Coburn has looked shakey and Kimmo has not looked right, just don't know if Grossman and Kubina will be enough to make a difference if the key guys aren't at their best. The fowards are prone to defensive mistakes, I like Schenn but jeez, I've seen him turn over the puck multiple times on the same shift. Faceoff work in general is not playoff caliber either in my opinion. I thought the need for a faceoff guy was just as important as defensive help for the playoffs; apparently Homer didn't think so. Also, I'm not sure how all of the young players will react to their first playoff. Put it like this: no team is dreading a Flyers matchup.
- 2731color

There weren't many faceoff specialists traded. And the one player that could be considered that, Gaustad, went for a very high price. Can't trade for what's not available.

I wonder if Pronger will return next year?

I wonder if Pronger will return next year?
- Scottie Upshall

If I were betting man I would bet he is done for good.

There weren't many faceoff specialists traded. And the one player that could be considered that, Gaustad, went for a very high price. Can't trade for what's not available.
- MJL

Gaustad would've brought the things we're hurting for right now, no question about it. Knowing what this team is and the cost for Gaustad, the first round pick is considerably more valuable to the team right now, especially if this draft as as deep in defensemen as I've heard.

Gaustad would've brought the things we're hurting for right now, no question about it. Knowing what this team is and the cost for Gaustad, the first round pick is considerably more valuable to the team right now, especially if this draft as as deep in defensemen as I've heard.
- BulliesPhan87

I'd love to have had Gaustad. But not for that price. Plus, with what he's going to cost to resign, can't really afford him either, for the future.

I'd love to have had Gaustad. But not for that price. Plus, with what he's going to cost to resign, can't really afford him either, for the future.
- MJL

Too right. I'm quite satisfied with our pre-deadline activity this year, all things considered.

Daniel Briere buyout from CapGeek.com

2012-13: $833,333
2013-14: $4,833,333
2014-15: $5,833,333
2015-16: $1,333,333
2016-17: $1,333,333
2017-18: $1,333,333
- fecondo

wow.....even worse than what i thought the rule was

wow.....even worse than what i thought the rule was
- FlyerMike18

Here are the Rules for a buyout for a player over 26 years of age.

Take the actual salary due for each remaining year
Take the Averaged Player Salary (cap hit) for the current contract
Calculate the buyout amount (as described above)
Spread the buy-out amount evenly over twice the remaining years of the contract
Take the number in No. 1 and subtract the number in No. 4. This is the "buyout savings."
Take the cap hit from No. 2 and subtract the buyout savings from No. 5.

This calculation is done for each year, meaning the buyout cap hit is not necessarily the same for all years. It can even be negative, meaning a team can receive a credit.

There weren't many faceoff specialists traded. And the one player that could be considered that, Gaustad, went for a very high price. Can't trade for what's not available.
- MJL

There was talk in here about trying to get Adam Hall. 600k cap hit career 61% on faceoffs. Idk if he was available (i guess not otherwise one would think they would have went after him) but he would have been a nice addition.

That said, we didnt get anyone so our guys need to step up and start winning more faceoffs.