That's the third Seravalling pick I have seen tonight.
- Flyskippy

Yeah, and the first two were just as (frank)ing blatant.

Jake's head was down. He didn't intend to hit him in the head. He intended to hit him in the chest. It was a clean shoulder check imo.
- rockychocbill

and you know this ... how?

Yes it was, but Voraceks head was at about elbow level of Kronwall. He didn't leap up in to Voracels head, Voracek's head was low. Any contact was going to be to his head.
- MBFlyerfan

Hip check would've done the job

Jake's head was down. He didn't intend to hit him in the head. He intended to hit him in the chest. It was a clean shoulder check imo.
- rockychocbill

This is an accurate description.

Contact to head. Nowadays illegal. Rewind 8 years and it's legal. The end.
- Flyskippy

Incidental, secondary contact has not been suspended. I doubt it will be here either.

Does anyone have a still image of this Kronwall hit during the actual contact?

ugh

Contact to head. Nowadays illegal. Rewind 8 years and it's legal. The end.
- Flyskippy

I think the key is intentional contact to the head. Another way to say it is contact to the head that could have been avoided.

Again, sometimes contact to the head is unavoidable. Those situations rarely result in suspensions. This case was clearly avoidable and the player chose to make the head first contact. That's the issue here, imo.

Wide open.

Hip check would've done the job
- Duran76

His head was low enough and forward enough that even a hip check would have contacted Voraceks head first.

Wide open.
- MrBuzzcut

nothing bryz could do there. great shot. wide open. wing in front of him to boot.

and you know this ... how?
- FlyerGuy

The replay. And having played hockey for 40 years myself. It was a shocker, but it was clean.

His head was low enough and forward enough that even a hip check would have contacted Voraceks head first.
- MBFlyerfan

Was thinking the same myself.

I think the key is intentional contact to the head. Another way to say it is contact to the head that could have been avoided.

Again, sometimes contact to the head is unavoidable. Those situations rarely result in suspensions. This case was clearly avoidable and the player chose to make the head first contact. That's the issue here, imo.
- BringBack25

Unless he did NOT hit him, head contact was going to be first.

I guess I have no idea what interference is anymore.

I think its high time to agree to disagree. This is getting old fast.

Yes it was, but Voraceks head was at about elbow level of Kronwall. He didn't leap up in to Voracels head, Voracek's head was low. Any contact was going to be to his head.
- MBFlyerfan

And Kronwall could've let up.

I think the key is intentional contact to the head. Another way to say it is contact to the head that could have been avoided.

Again, sometimes contact to the head is unavoidable. Those situations rarely result in suspensions. This case was clearly avoidable and the player chose to make the head first contact. That's the issue here, imo.
- BringBack25

I agree with you up until the intent part. The intent was to knock him into the next zip code. The head just got in the way.

I think the key is intentional contact to the head. Another way to say it is contact to the head that could have been avoided.

Again, sometimes contact to the head is unavoidable. Those situations rarely result in suspensions. This case was clearly avoidable and the player chose to make the head first contact. That's the issue here, imo.
- BringBack25

I should have just said: Detroit is Shanny's old team. The end. (@ myself)

I have an anecdote here- I think you all should read it:

This past weekend, my brother was playing in a midget hockey game, and the other team had this big 17 year old goon. He must have been 6-2 200. First he laid one kid out in the first period- and it was let go. It was clean, but it there was a stigma with it because the kid he hit was about 8 inches shorter than he was.

In the first half of the 2nd, he laid another booming hit. This time, he got called for boarding, which it was. Again, he hit someone roughly 6 inches shorter than him. Hard.

He gets out of the box, and on that shift he drills another kid in the open ice. Elbow to the head- lucky the kid didn't get seriously hurt. Again, he was about a foot taller than the kid he hit. Truly a headhunting disgrace.

During the next sequence, (I was doing the score sheet) I heard the ref say to our bench, "If that clown throws another hit like that, I'm gonna kick his ass out. He's here to knock people off the puck and play defense, not kill kids."
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That's why this hit is dirty. That's why Kronwall is dirty. He tries to kill people once a week. I hope, and think, this is finally the time he gets punished.

He's not here to kill people.

He's here to play hockey.

I rest my case.
- Giroux_Is_God

Just wanna bump this up....

The replay. And having played hockey for 40 years myself. It was a shocker, but it was clean.
- rockychocbill

you're forgetting which player we're talking about.

i'm wondering if briere is going to do anything but turn the puck over and lose puck battles for the rest of the season.

And Kronwall could've let up.
- Flyskippy

He could have, but then he wouldn't be Kronwall. And I keep going back to the point that if it were reversed, and the Flyer d-man let up, people would be going nuts on whoever it was.

What's up with Jagr? Groin pull? At the game and didn't see

His head was DOWN. It was a clean shoulder check imo. Plus Jake saw him coming and then looked back down at the puck a second time.
- rockychocbill

It was clean in the sense that it wasn't an elbow. My issue is that Kronwall had all day to line him up and chose to hit him in the head. The fact that Jake's head was down is irrelevant. Kronwall had time to avoid it, and chose not to do so. That's what the new rule is supposed to be guarding against - intentional hits to the head.

By the logic you (and others) are using, it would be fine for a tall player - someone like Chara - to hit any player shorter than him in the head simply because their head was at his shoulder or elbow height. That is not the case. Player making the hit has a responsibility to avoid hitting the targeted player in the head if reasonably possible. That was certainly the case here. Kronwall could have avoided it and did not.