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- MBFlyerfan

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Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie
No suppl disc for Kronwall on Voracek. PPOC was head but deemed full body on body hit. Not a hit NHL believes should be out of the game.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Like i said, it was a clean hit.

And the instigator rule being in or out of the game won't change the way Kronwall plays imo. I could be wrong on that, but I think he still plays the way he does either way.
- rockychocbill

Yeah it will, and I'll prove it to you...

Think Jake's going to be more aware next time he goes to put himself in that position?

Now imagine if after laying that kind of hit Kronwall had his face busted up a little bit... Think he's going to think twice about laying that kind of hit in the future, especially if guys like Shelley, Sestito, Lucic, Rupp, etc. are on the ice?

You left out your daily bonghits...
- wolfhounds

If I knew what you were talking about, I'd say that the rigors of a PhD program, and married with kids precludes such "hits".

You were right, I was wrong. But were in 100% agreement on the Insitigator issue.
- MJL

That rule has been a problem since its inception. Is it a coincidence that concussions and injuries seem more prevalent since it was implemented?

Kronwall can run around leveling players because he knows no one can do anything about it to him. I was wishing the Flyers would be able to get up 4-1 so they could start running Zetterberg without endangering their ability to win the game. But when it got to 3-2 I knew that wasn't going to happen, if it ever was going to happen.

Not intentionally injured, but they should be prepared to be lit up the exact same way. If the officials say its OK for one team, the other team should take notes and take the dampers off on their hitting. If they are going to let the game be played that way, I'd like to see Grossman lay a hit like that on one of the other team's star players. Ouch. Make 'em think twice about trying to wheel on through the neutral zone.
- Lexington Flyer

Then I guarantee you that the Flyers end up losing the game.

Now you lose a top-6 winger to a concussion and you're out 2 points in the standings, all for the sake of retribution -- which you might never get, and almost always remorse.

If I knew what you were talking about, I'd say that the rigors of a PhD program, and married with kids precludes such "hits".

- Lexington Flyer

Darn life getting in the way...

I'm flabbergasted there is no suspension for Kronwall. I give up. I thought it was a textbook example of a hit the NHL is trying to eliminate. I guess I have no clue what the rule is anymore. Very frustrating.
- MJL

What's frustrating with the explanation in the Bob McK. tweet is that the NHL admits the head is the principle point of contact.

"...what no player should expect any longer is that his head will be picked and made the principle point of contact whether intentionally or recklessly."

You said it, Shanny. Oh well, now I'm just indulging in sour grapes, I suppose.

Clearly that's not the case.

Kronwall destroys Jake = nothing. Rinaldo taps a Detroit player = penalty.

What happens if Rinaldo hits Zetts like Kronwall hit Jake?
- wolfhounds

Yeah I know. The reality that Shannahan, and Campbell before him, has created pisses me off.

Not intentionally injured, but they should be prepared to be lit up the exact same way. If the officials say its OK for one team, the other team should take notes and take the dampers off on their hitting. If they are going to let the game be played that way, I'd like to see Grossman lay a hit like that on one of the other team's star players. Ouch. Make 'em think twice about trying to wheel on through the neutral zone.
- Lexington Flyer

Every player who ever steps onto an NHL ice surface should be expecting to get lit up like that. What was Campbell's hit on Umberger? Clean or dirty? No player should have to "answer" for a hit like last night's. That was a textbook hockey hit and the "hockey" people saw it that way.

If I knew what you were talking about, I'd say that the rigors of a PhD program, and married with kids precludes such "hits".

- Lexington Flyer

Great, now we've got Flyers fans taking wreckless hits straight to the head too

Yeah it will, and I'll prove it to you...

Think Jake's going to be more aware next time he goes to put himself in that position?

Now imagine if after laying that kind of hit Kronwall had his face busted up a little bit... Think he's going to think twice about laying that kind of hit in the future, especially if guys like Shelley, Sestito, Lucic, Rupp, etc. are on the ice?
- wolfhounds

Who's gonna bust up his face? We've seen these retribution things before. They never work out. The guy turtles or they wrestle and maybe the "attacker" gets one maybe two punches in while the other guy just hangs on until the linesmen come in. Unless you're gonna go Bertuzzi on Moore and just flat out sucker the guy, it's meaningless. Or you could just go Clarke and slash his ankle or something and take the minor.

What's frustrating with the explanation in the Bob McK. tweet is that the NHL admits the head is the principle point of contact.

"...what no player should expect any longer is that his head will be picked and made the principle point of contact whether intentionally or recklessly."

You said it, Shanny. Oh well, now I'm just indulging in sour grapes, I suppose.
- BulliesPhan87

Everyone knows what icing is. Everyone knows what offsides are. Heck, even delay of game via pucks over the glass is black and white.

The NHL is continually irritating fans of 29 bases at a time when crap like this, which is clearly against Rule 48, happens and is merely glossed over.

I'm out before I say things I regret like, "I'm done with hockey," etc.

Darn life getting in the way...
- wolfhounds

They'll pry my beer from my cold dead fingers

Every player who ever steps onto an NHL ice surface should be expecting to get lit up like that. What was Campbell's hit on Umberger? Clean or dirty? No player should have to "answer" for a hit like last night's. That was a textbook hockey hit and the "hockey" people saw it that way.
- rockychocbill

Why? The way I see it, fighting is as much a part of hockey as hitting and scoring goals, and a fight after that hit would have been reactionary as opposed to staged...which is perfectly in tune with the spirit of the game...

In my opinion at least.

What's frustrating with the explanation in the Bob McK. tweet is that the NHL admits the head is the principle point of contact.

"...what no player should expect any longer is that his head will be picked and made the principle point of contact whether intentionally or recklessly."

You said it, Shanny. Oh well, now I'm just indulging in sour grapes, I suppose.
- BulliesPhan87

I didn't see intentional or reckless though.

I didn't see intentional or reckless though.
- rockychocbill

I thought it was reckless, but as I said I guess I'm just sour grapes. Whatever.

Every player who ever steps onto an NHL ice surface should be expecting to get lit up like that. What was Campbell's hit on Umberger? Clean or dirty? No player should have to "answer" for a hit like last night's. That was a textbook hockey hit and the "hockey" people saw it that way.
- rockychocbill

Last night's was clean by the books, but Kronwall has thrown plenty of dirty hits where he's left his feet and has literally NEVER dropped the gloves once.

Every player who ever steps onto an NHL ice surface should be expecting to get lit up like that. What was Campbell's hit on Umberger? Clean or dirty? No player should have to "answer" for a hit like last night's. That was a textbook hockey hit and the "hockey" people saw it that way.
- rockychocbill

Screw that. Just like any player who steps on the ice should be expecting to get lit up; any player who steps on the ice should be expected to answer for a play/hit that the other team doesn't like. This guy lined up Jake and aimed for the head. Simply put, that's all the Flyers need to know. If Sestito/Shelley was on the roster yesterday, they should have every right to go out there on Kronwall's next shift and pull his jersey over his head. Where's the fairness?

We have a hit that *many* people (including non-Flyers fans) consider a dirty hit, yet there was no penalty, no suspension, no retribution, etc. What happened yesterday that will make Kronwall think twice when it comes to aiming for the head? Exactly. Nothing.

I'm flabbergasted there is no suspension for Kronwall. I give up. I thought it was a textbook example of a hit the NHL is trying to eliminate. I guess I have no clue what the rule is anymore. Very frustrating.
- MJL

Don't be flabbergasted or give up. Your analysis earlier was well reasoned but I thought you were a little too sure of yoursef. Perhaps you should just concede that it was a close call and that Shanahan is more qualified to make the correct call than you based his experience.

Every player who ever steps onto an NHL ice surface should be expecting to get lit up like that. What was Campbell's hit on Umberger? Clean or dirty? No player should have to "answer" for a hit like last night's. That was a textbook hockey hit and the "hockey" people saw it that way.
- rockychocbill

100% Agree, but the league has made "textbook hockey hits" kinda vague these days. They gotta put their foot down one way or the other. intentions aren't always discernable so they have to take a stand. Either contact to the head is a clearcut suspension or it isn't. Right now it seems some guys can do it and some can't, which is not good for the game.

Why? The way I see it, fighting is as much a part of hockey as hitting and scoring goals, and a fight after that hit would have been reactionary as opposed to staged...which is perfectly in tune with the spirit of the game...

In my opinion at least.
- wolfhounds

If someone wants to go chase Kronwall and try to get him to drop his gloves then fine. I think it's wrong though because it was a clean hit, but it's not my face or money on the line. Let's have a fight after every hard hit. Oh wait, we're almost at that stage now anyways. Sheesh.

Last night's was clean by the books, but Kronwall has thrown plenty of dirty hits where he's left his feet and has literally NEVER dropped the gloves once.
- OrangeBlack27

How is it clean? Intentions are not married to results. Whether or not he aimed for his shoulder or head; he made contact with the head. That's all you need to know. It was a head shot, which is usually penalized or grounds for suspension. Instead, it was nothing, and Kronwall will have no reason to second-guess that hit in the future. As someone alluded to earlier, once it happens to Crosby or another face of the NHL, we'll see the hammer drop. Shame, really.

If someone wants to go chase Kronwall and try to get him to drop his gloves then fine. I think it's wrong though because it was a clean hit, but it's not my face or money on the line. Let's have a fight after every hard hit. Oh wait, we're almost at that stage now anyways. Sheesh.
- rockychocbill

I typically agree with the no need to answer for a clean hit, but you'd think Kronwall would have answered the bell at least once in his career. But no.

Last night's was clean by the books, but Kronwall has thrown plenty of dirty hits where he's left his feet and has literally NEVER dropped the gloves once.
- OrangeBlack27

True. Not debating, disagreeing or defending that for one second.