How about Kronwall Id be jealous to

Very true. Not a clean hit. Hitting is to seperate the man from the puck, in Kronwall's case it is seperating the man from planet earth. If this is on Crosby or Ovechkin or other top players it's on Shanahan's screen as we speak, but of course it's a red wing player so they get off easy. youtube his hits and all of them are illegal right now, but hes on detroit so...
- nickmo2699

thank you +1

How about Kronwall Id be jealous to
- jdd0001

yea, i wish my players could get away with dirty crap like that too

i give up looking for any consistency in this league. zac rinaldo gets 2 games for a shoulder to shoulder hit with no injury and niklas kronwall gets jack sh!t for shoulder/elbow to head hit. i just don't get it. kronwall baited, lined up then drilled voracek in the head, how is that legal and "clean"?
- flyerscup2011

i give up looking for any consistency in this league. zac rinaldo gets 2 games for a shoulder to shoulder hit with no injury and niklas kronwall gets jack sh!t for shoulder/elbow to head hit. i just don't get it. kronwall baited, lined up then drilled voracek in the head, how is that legal and "clean"?
- flyerscup2011

I'm with you. If that play was Rinaldo on Crosby, Rinaldo get's the death penalty.. or at the least get's a hearing.

KRONWALLED: Baiting, then driving your shoulder through an unsuspecting, vulnerable player's head. Blame it on the player for having his head down; Say you had no intent to injure player; and refuse to back up your super-clean hit when you are challenged by a player from the other team.
Clearly the mark of a badass.

I'm with you. If that play was Rinaldo on Crosby, Rinaldo get's the death penalty.. or at the least get's a hearing.

KRONWALLED: Baiting, then driving your shoulder through an unsuspecting, vulnerable player's head. Blame it on the player for having his head down; Say you had no intent to injure player; and refuse to back up your super-clean hit when you are challenged by a player from the other team.
Clearly the mark of a badass.
- pharcyde

the problem is shanahan played for the red wings and won 2 cups with them. it's kinda hard not to have loyalty, that said he should step aside and let someone with no ties to either team and allow that person to hand out appropriate discipline

Very true. Not a clean hit. Hitting is to seperate the man from the puck, in Kronwall's case it is seperating the man from planet earth. If this is on Crosby or Ovechkin or other top players it's on Shanahan's screen as we speak, but of course it's a red wing player so they get off easy. youtube his hits and all of them are illegal right now, but hes on detroit so...
- nickmo2699

here's the thing, whether or not kronwall is suspended does not help or hurt the flyers. i wouldn't be calling for his suspension if i didn't feel it was warrented. if this was a hit by a flyer on a red wing i feel a suspension would have been handed out. i just want to know where the gd line is. if that hit is clean bs could have atleast made a video explaining himself. others have said it and it's a fact; had that hit been performed by zac rinaldo on anyone it would have been a lengthy suspension had it been by rinaldo on crosby it would have been the same penalty bertuzzi got for his assault on domonic moore

The inconsistency throughout the entire nhl is atrocious. Shannahan is a complete joke. What I dont get is how cant the nhl go out and hire somone out of harvard law or something like that. Someone like that would have the ability to at least interpret and maintain the rules with consistency along with properly communicating the rules with the rest of the world. Sure Shanny played the game and what not, but that was a different era. Im also pretty sure shanny doesnt have one year of a college education under his belt

Who are you kidding? Absolutly Voracek put himself in that position. Look at the reply, he practically looks Kronwall in the eye before fishing for the puck. How can Kronwall not hit him? This is a contact leaque.

I think the major issue should be why was the game not stopped. I hate the Flyers with all my heart but the whistle should have blown right after the hit and the guy's arms lifted in the air. No need for medicial staff to be delayed or to continue play that might put the player in more danger than he already was.

Hard hit - not illegal - stupid officiating.
- Peca27

Some sanity to a laughable blog. Yes the officials should have stopped the play.

Didn't say it was a "head shot" ... and he definitely backed off.. sized him up.. took three strides and launched his back/shoulder right into his face.
- pharcyde

To actually be able to hit somebody you need to skate your body forcefully into the other ...you clearly have never played the game to know that...he didn't leave his feet therefore was no "launch" ...it was a clean body to body hit with Voracek's head coming into contact because it was low and down ...the fault is his

Voracek turned to face center ice a split second before contact was made. That is the reason the hit was a legal on. Had Voracek not turned prior to the contact, Kronwall hits him shoulder to shoulder

Under Rule 48, leeway is given when a player puts himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously at the point of contact. Therefore, the fact that the head was the primary point of contact is mitigated. Kronwall was committed to the hit when Voracek turned.

In addition to Voracek saying it was a clean hit, several of Voracek's teammates said the same, as did his GM Paul Holmgren. Fortunately, Voracek seems to be doing well afterward, with no reported concussion symptoms and some stitches and swelling in his lip.
- Jsaquella

Here's a step by step look at it. Voracek did turn right into him.

http://www.nightmareonhel...s-of-the-voracek-hit.html

This being said, it's good to see rational commentors from Philly and across the board. I'm happy to hear that he's doing pretty well considering.

Good on everyone in this case, except for the original poster that is.

Voracek himself said the hit was clean, but who is he to have an opinion on it when it disagrees with those that know better.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm not understanding your point , has anybody actually suggested Voracek has no right no an opinion?

clean.

people are so misinformed when it comes to things like launching, leaving one's feet, contact with the head vs targeting someones head.

We went through the same argument on the Briere hit, the Hemsky hit, the Kesler hit... think about it, why would the NHL allow these to continue if they were no legal?... Kronwall does it all the time, and guess what... worst case, they may be inteference. move on peps.

I do feel bad for Voracek or anyone who gets hit hard and has a similar result but this a) isnt dirty nor b) illegal by NHL standards. .. even the rule the blogger placed said it can be open to interpitation (spelling?) so if its open, then technical the opinion that matters is the officials or Shanny, despite what we think were the ones who are wrong... not them.

As far as blowing the whistle, listen... in this case Voracek was not faking, but could you imagine the mess it would cause if teams starting using the tactic of faking injuries to get a whistle to stop a scoring chance from the other team..... it would be worse than diving.

Everyone was too busy looking at Voracek to realize that the Wings had possession of the puck and a scoring chance to boot.

Its an unfortunate result to a clean and legal hit.

next topic.

To actually be able to hit somebody you need to skate your body forcefully into the other ...you clearly have never played the game to know that...he didn't leave his feet therefore was no "launch" ...it was a clean body to body hit with Voracek's head coming into contact because it was low and down ...the fault is his
- keatondixon

totally agree... and for the record, leaving ones feet isnt launching. There is a difference, and its how they look at it.

Here's a step by step look at it. Voracek did turn right into him.

http://www.nightmareonhel...s-of-the-voracek-hit.html

This being said, it's good to see rational commentors from Philly and across the board. I'm happy to hear that he's doing pretty well considering.

Good on everyone in this case, except for the original poster that is.
- moore00

Sucks that he got steamrolled, but it is what it is. Had he not turned at the last instance, Kronwall gets him shoulder to shoulder. It's not Voracek's head being down that is where he's in a truly vulnerable spot, it's when he turned that really opens it up to head contact.

Fortunately, he's been symptom free-maybe amazingly symptom free-and he knows where his blame lies. Hopefully his injuries are limited to the split lip. Sucks to see anyone get hurt.

I do understand those who are upset, though. It's visceral. But the loophole exists for hits like that. Is it predatory? Probably, but most hits in the NHL have an element of that to them. Certainly, Kronwall was intending to nail Voracek good, but a lot of guys lay hits trying to light a guy up.

clean.

people are so misinformed when it comes to things like launching, leaving one's feet, contact with the head vs targeting someones head.

We went through the same argument on the Briere hit, the Hemsky hit, the Kesler hit... think about it, why would the NHL allow these to continue if they were no legal?... Kronwall does it all the time, and guess what... worst case, they may be inteference. move on peps.

I do feel bad for Voracek or anyone who gets hit hard and has a similar result but this a) isnt dirty nor b) illegal by NHL standards. .. even the rule the blogger placed said it can be open to interpitation (spelling?) so if its open, then technical the opinion that matters is the officials or Shanny, despite what we think were the ones who are wrong... not them.

As far as blowing the whistle, listen... in this case Voracek was not faking, but could you imagine the mess it would cause if teams starting using the tactic of faking injuries to get a whistle to stop a scoring chance from the other team..... it would be worse than diving.

Everyone was too busy looking at Voracek to realize that the Wings had possession of the puck and a scoring chance to boot.

Its an unfortunate result to a clean and legal hit.

next topic.
- BooBoo997

but hey, if a guy's willing to launch himself backwards and smash the back of his head on the ice, maybe he deserves the whistle...

in all seriousness, i see your point. i just think that this hit was particularly alarming, and voracek did slam his head on the ice pretty hard. def a judgment call, but i think that should be enough for a whistle

not crying bloody murder or anything, i just think they messed up on that issue

but hey, if a guy's willing to launch himself backwards and smash the back of his head on the ice, maybe he deserves the whistle...

in all seriousness, i see your point. i just think that this hit was particularly alarming, and voracek did slam his head on the ice pretty hard. def a judgment call, but i think that should be enough for a whistle

not crying bloody murder or anything, i just think they messed up on that issue
- FlyerMike18

imagine if voracek died then the refs would have felt real stupid

clean.

people are so misinformed when it comes to things like launching, leaving one's feet, contact with the head vs targeting someones head.

We went through the same argument on the Briere hit, the Hemsky hit, the Kesler hit... think about it, why would the NHL allow these to continue if they were no legal?... Kronwall does it all the time, and guess what... worst case, they may be inteference. move on peps.

I do feel bad for Voracek or anyone who gets hit hard and has a similar result but this a) isnt dirty nor b) illegal by NHL standards. .. even the rule the blogger placed said it can be open to interpitation (spelling?) so if its open, then technical the opinion that matters is the officials or Shanny, despite what we think were the ones who are wrong... not them.

As far as blowing the whistle, listen... in this case Voracek was not faking, but could you imagine the mess it would cause if teams starting using the tactic of faking injuries to get a whistle to stop a scoring chance from the other team..... it would be worse than diving.

Everyone was too busy looking at Voracek to realize that the Wings had possession of the puck and a scoring chance to boot.

Its an unfortunate result to a clean and legal hit.

next topic.
- BooBoo997

Some people will never get it ...

Sucks that he got steamrolled, but it is what it is. Had he not turned at the last instance, Kronwall gets him shoulder to shoulder. It's not Voracek's head being down that is where he's in a truly vulnerable spot, it's when he turned that really opens it up to head contact.

Fortunately, he's been symptom free-maybe amazingly symptom free-and he knows where his blame lies. Hopefully his injuries are limited to the split lip. Sucks to see anyone get hurt.

I do understand those who are upset, though. It's visceral. But the loophole exists for hits like that. Is it predatory? Probably, but most hits in the NHL have an element of that to them. Certainly, Kronwall was intending to nail Voracek good, but a lot of guys lay hits trying to light a guy up.
- Jsaquella

absolutely so

absolutely so
- puckhead17

yea it was like kronwall wasn't asking him what he wanted to have for dinner or anything

Sucks that he got steamrolled, but it is what it is. Had he not turned at the last instance, Kronwall gets him shoulder to shoulder. It's not Voracek's head being down that is where he's in a truly vulnerable spot, it's when he turned that really opens it up to head contact.

Fortunately, he's been symptom free-maybe amazingly symptom free-and he knows where his blame lies. Hopefully his injuries are limited to the split lip. Sucks to see anyone get hurt.

I do understand those who are upset, though. It's visceral. But the loophole exists for hits like that. Is it predatory? Probably, but most hits in the NHL have an element of that to them. Certainly, Kronwall was intending to nail Voracek good, but a lot of guys lay hits trying to light a guy up.
- Jsaquella

he should be out a week regardless, imo. for that very reason

he should be out a week regardless, imo. for that very reason
- FlyerMike18

The Flyers should be prudent. I'd say at least 72 hours to see if anything develops.

Some may argue that Voracek was leaning forward or that Kronwall is much bigger than he is.

Who would argue that? And why would you even say people would?

Niklas Kronwall - 5'11, 189lbs
Jakub Voracek - 6'2, 214lbs

Do your research before you post garbage, guy.