I remember that play with Timonen. Any time there is an apparent serious injury, especially a head injury play should be stopped immediately. Case closed. It was inexcusable that play continued with Voracek down in a heap.
- PLindbergh31

Voracek was fine. If he layed there down on the ice with no movement the whistle would of been blown. This is hockey not ballet class.

if St. Louis wins the Cup this year does Hitch make the HOF?
- Crimsoninja

As long as he goes in AFTER Shero.

Oh... now you tell me. I've been nothing but sarcastic since I logged in. I blame my DD coffee.
- Flyskippy

No worries skip I have some sarcasm myself today...

The refs are out to get the Flyers. Seems like every year their in the top 5 for penalties. Now Shanahan is after them bc of the "clean" Kronwall hit. They should complain to the NHL offices.


- stveshdy

I see your sarcasm... But I am going to seriously say I dont think the Refs are trying to screw the Flyers as much as its a sub-conscious reaction. The Refs have the broad street bullies in the back of thier minds... Thier team's announcers always saying how dirty they are, how thier actions hurt hockey... They might not be actively trying to screw the Flyers, but I think subconsiously they make tighter calls against them, and allow looser calls on thier opponents... Maybe not all Refs, but most.

And just so you know its not a Fan's biased opinion... I have a friend that is a Rangers fan, and he see's it too... He has a long running joke with me, that if a Ref see's 2 guys on the ice, but didn't see the play... "When in doubt, call a penality on the Flyers.."

IIRC, that story was 1 guy betting on games he was officiating, not endlessly and unfairly persecuting 1 team troughout the history of their franchise as it obviously occurs with the nhl and the Flyers.
- funmaster18

I don't believe in using referees as an excuse. I do think there is a built in stereotype when it comes to the Flyers based on their history, I don't think they get the benefit of doubt often, but I don't buy into the conspiracy theorists.

The situation with Donaghy was, he got in over his head with gambling debts, and he was impacting games he refereed as a way to wipe away his debts.

playoffs are around the corner.. and he's been playing better and better .. with all of these injuries.. its guna be DANNY TIME very very soon
- MrBigglesworth

Unless he leads the team in scoring in the playoffs, I have 2 words for you in this off-season... "Amnesty Buyout"

The fact that the Flyers have the most power plays in the league, along with being the most shorthanded team in the league, would seem to fly against the theory that the refs are out to get them.

I see your sarcasm... But I am going to seriously say I dont think the Refs are trying to screw the Flyers as much as its a sub-conscious reaction. The Refs have the broad street bullies in the back of thier minds... Thier team's announcers always saying how dirty they are, how thier actions hurt hockey... They might not be actively trying to screw the Flyers, but I think subconsiously they make tighter calls against them, and allow looser calls on thier opponents... Maybe not all Refs, but most.

And just so you know its not a Fan's biased opinion... I have a friend that is a Rangers fan, and he see's it too... He has a long running joke with me, that if a Ref see's 2 guys on the ice, but didn't see the play... "When in doubt, call a penality on the Flyers.."
- RooNosHockey

I cant imagine "refs" still having the broad st bullies on their minds. That was over 30 years ago. It may seem that way but I dont think refs call penalties based on past history.

I see your sarcasm... But I am going to seriously say I dont think the Refs are trying to screw the Flyers as much as its a sub-conscious reaction. The Refs have the broad street bullies in the back of thier minds... Thier team's announcers always saying how dirty they are, how thier actions hurt hockey... They might be actively trying to screw the Flyers, but I think subconsiously they make tighter calls against them, and allow looser calls on thier opponents... Maybe not all Refs, but most.

And just so you know its not a Fan's biased opinion... I have a friend that is a Rangers fan, and he see's it too... He has a long running joke with me, that if a Ref see's 2 guys on the ice, but didn't see the play... "When in doubt, call a penality on the Flyers.."
- RooNosHockey

Once Kerry Fraser retired the Flyers lost their only chance at getting a fair shake

Unless he leads the team in scoring in the playoffs, I have 2 words for you in this off-season... "Amnesty Buyout"
- RooNosHockey

We keep discussing this as if this amnesty thing is being seriously discussed.

Voracek was fine. If he layed there down on the ice with no movement the whistle would of been blown. This is hockey not ballet class.
- stveshdy

Is this sarcasm? I can't tell.

LETS GO FLYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

We keep discussing this as if this amnesty thing is being seriously discussed.
- MBFlyerfan

im composing a list of the top 5 players i HOPE the flyers amnesty and a seperate list of the top 5 players i THINK they will amnesty

I cant imagine "refs" still having the broad st bullies on their minds. That was over 30 years ago. It may seem that way but I dont think refs call penalties based on past history.
- stveshdy

this was sarcasm right cause rinaldo is a prime example they do

if St. Louis wins the Cup this year does Hitch make the HOF?
- Crimsoninja

Good question. Not sure winning two Cups guarantees a coach a Hall of Fame induction. See Shero, Fred.

this was sarcasm right cause rinaldo is a prime example they do
- 2Real

I mean from 30 years ago. Not with players who are currently playing in todays game. Refs are not going to penalize Shelley bc Dave "the Hammer" Shultz beat an opposing player up during the Broad St Bully days.

Is this sarcasm? I can't tell.
- PLindbergh31

Is it? Im just laying out the truth today.

I don't know if this has been addressed but i hope one thing that can be ironed out in the new CBA is when you have a dead contract or a player that you are not going to play, there is an easier way to "release" him.

As much as they might not be playing for the Flyers, I would think if the Flyers would be allowed too they would Unconditionally release a few players.

im composing a list of the top 5 players i HOPE the flyers amnesty and a seperate list of the top 5 players i THINK they will amnesty
- Crimsoninja

pls include percentages

I don't know if this has been addressed but i hope one thing that can be ironed out in the new CBA is when you have a dead contract or a player that you are not going to play, there is an easier way to "release" him.

As much as they might not be playing for the Flyers, I would think if the Flyers would be allowed too they would Unconditionally release a few players.
- phi1671

Or at least put in language in an "over 35" contract that understands the very easily discernible difference between "signing a guy over 35 long term to avoid a big cap hit and letting him retire a few years in to the contract", and a player suffering a career ending injury.

pls include percentages
- bradleyc4

how far to the right of the decimal point should i go?

manning who ??

where is bartulis ?
- MrBigglesworth

Bartulis is out with a concussion.

how far to the right of the decimal point should i go?
- Crimsoninja

round to the nearest hundredth of a %

I cant imagine "refs" still having the broad st bullies on their minds. That was over 30 years ago. It may seem that way but I dont think refs call penalties based on past history.
- stveshdy

I'm not saying they are actively thinking about the BSB's.... But the Flyers operated with that mentality until about 4 years ago..., though not as "dirty" as the Bullies of the 70's, they were always the bigger, tougher team that came in and pounded your home team...

I just think that more penalities get called without the Refs really consciously doing so...

if St. Louis wins the Cup this year does Hitch make the HOF?
- Crimsoninja

Possibly. It all depends upon if he coaches Chris Stewart into the ground, who will then be traded to Philly for Cullen Eddy.