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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
I love Bryz on the ice, but I get nervious everytime he steps in front of the mic...
- RooNosHockey

WHy? is he going to invoke armageddon? All he does is make stupid jokes or off the wall comments. The most harm he ever did in front of the mic was that slip where he mentioned Coburn's name because he was pressed for an answer on what happened on a particular play.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
Just read on NBC sports that cap is goin up n bettman said to GMs to do business as usually for the free agency period, pretty much sayin even with the new CBA comin up it doesn't matter, writer said good news for Shea Weber bad news for Nashville interesting...
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
I was just about to say the same thing.... I could see a Giroux type deal but maybe, hopefully not, a JVR deal.

Not fully related but interesting: Don't look now but Carter has 7 points in 9 games with the Kings: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8470604

2 points behind Voracek with many less games (20 goals in 48 games). Richards still doing the small things but not contributing on the scoreboard as of late.

Edit: Of course the most important thins is that the Flyers are locked in the POs in the East while LA is 10th. They are still very much in striking distance being tied for 8th. All teams in the West competing for that 8th place are playing well while San Jose is dead in the water (sorry for the pun). The West PO race is as good as it gets.

- coffee junkie


it's interesting to watch those guys play in the W. Conference now. You always wonder how a guy would perform in a different division, etc., and now, we can kind of see that. As much as I like those guys and the other ex-Flyers in the organization (and don't dislike anyone on that team), I just don't really like the Kings all that much. Don't know why.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:21 PM ET
I know its a percentage of the player's current salary or predetermined etc. However I don't exactly know how an arbitrator goes about awarding other than evaluating a player's performance. How exactly they do that I imagine is going off his statistics. Voracek isn't exactly Steven Stamkos so I'm not sure what an arbitrator would give him.
- JoeRussomanno


A Qualifying Offer from the Flyers for Voracek would be $2,250,000, same as his current salary. If he elects arbitration. Whether they Arbitrator takes the Flyers number or the players, it will most certainly be for a substantial raise over what he's making now.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
A Qualifying Offer from the Flyers for Voracek would be $2,250,000, same as his current salary. If he elects arbitration. Whether they Arbitrator takes the Flyers number or the players, it will most certainly be for a substantial raise over what he's making now.
- MJL

I thought the qualifying offer was a raise based on his current salary.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...r-salary-cap-next-season/

RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:22 PM ET
I know its a percentage of the player's current salary or predetermined etc. However I don't exactly know how an arbitrator goes about awarding other than evaluating a player's performance. How exactly they do that I imagine is going off his statistics. Voracek isn't exactly Steven Stamkos so I'm not sure what an arbitrator would give him.
- JoeRussomanno


I agree Joe... Voracek currently is making 2.25 mil... QO would be around 2.5 mill... Voracek has 13 goals and 24 assists... So on pace just to hit is average numbers... I doubt an arbitrator would offer him more then 3 million....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:23 PM ET
Just read on NBC sports that cap is goin up n bettman said to GMs to do business as usually for the free agency period, pretty much sayin even with the new CBA comin up it doesn't matter, writer said good news for Shea Weber bad news for Nashville interesting...
- Slammed81


If I was an NHL GM, I'd proceed with caution. I think it is incredibly dumb, if not moronic and incompetent for the League not to insure that the new CBA is negotiated before July 1.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:23 PM ET
I agree Joe... Voracek currently is making 2.25 mil... QO would be around 2.5 mill... Voracek has 13 goals and 24 assists... So on pace just to hit is average numbers... I doubt an arbitrator would offer him more then 3 million....
- RooNosHockey

I don't see it being a case like doughty or weber is all i'm saying.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
A Qualifying Offer from the Flyers for Voracek would be $2,250,000, same as his current salary. If he elects arbitration. Whether they Arbitrator takes the Flyers number or the players, it will most certainly be for a substantial raise over what he's making now.
- MJL


What would you call fair compensation for him?

What kind of deal can you see him getting?

3 yr. /3.5M?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
If I was an NHL GM, I'd proceed with caution. I think it is incredibly dumb, if not moronic and incompetent for the League not to insure that the new CBA is negotiated before July 1.
- MJL

+1
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:24 PM ET
WHy? is he going to invoke armageddon? All he does is make stupid jokes or off the wall comments. The most harm he ever did in front of the mic was that slip where he mentioned Coburn's name because he was pressed for an answer on what happened on a particular play.
- JoeRussomanno


And leaking Bob was the starter in the WC... but it just seems so awkward.... I hate awkward... lol
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 14 @ 5:25 PM ET
Bill, would it be possible at one point maybe after the season is over, for someone to get an interview with him where perhaps some real questions could be asked like "Was there a change in his approach?" "What if anything did you work to improve with his game?" etc. None of this so when you shower do you do so with a bag over your head so your team mates see your shame. While on the road do you have to sleep in the hotel closet because no one likes you?

I find this season of his very perplexing as a fan and think that a real learning experience could be made of it.

- JoeRussomanno



Funny you should say that. I think the real issue here is just that:

Has Bryzgalov made some mechanical adjustments? (I haven't noticed any, except for simply being square to shooter and challenging the angles aggressively, but then again I never played goal a day in my life)

It's been said that Bryzgalov put in extra work after the All-Star break. Was there a particular area that he wanted to work on that has clicked in? Did he do a lot of video review?

To me, that's more interesting and relevant on the ice than whether he's "happy" right now.

Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:25 PM ET
If I was an NHL GM, I'd proceed with caution. I think it is incredibly dumb, if not moronic and incompetent for the League not to insure that the new CBA is negotiated before July 1.
- MJL

True but if that's the case July 1st is gonna suck
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:25 PM ET
I thought the qualifying offer was a raise based on his current salary.
- JoeRussomanno


If a player's salary is equal to or greater then 1M, the previous season, his qualifying offer would be 100% of his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.


JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:26 PM ET
And leaking Bob was the starter in the WC... but it just seems so awkward.... I hate awkward... lol
- RooNosHockey

What harm did that do? OMG the world found out from Bryzgalov and not Laviolette. Back then I said he was acting in a weird way to get himself going. Guess it worked out. Im sure he knows to not break protocol on a regular basis and that was a blip on the radar.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:26 PM ET
I agree Joe... Voracek currently is making 2.25 mil... QO would be around 2.5 mill... Voracek has 13 goals and 24 assists... So on pace just to hit is average numbers... I doubt an arbitrator would offer him more then 3 million....
- RooNosHockey


His Q offer would 2.25, not 2.5. Arbitrator's don't offer a salary.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:26 PM ET
mj was proven innocent bro
- Crimsoninja


Well, he was acquitted, anyway.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:27 PM ET
What would you call fair compensation for him?

What kind of deal can you see him getting?

3 yr. /3.5M?

- coffee junkie


In that ball park.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:27 PM ET
What would you call fair compensation for him?

What kind of deal can you see him getting?

3 yr. /3.5M?

- coffee junkie

If I were the Flyers I would offer him 2 years at 3 million. Short enough he can earn the big contract, and cheap enough the Flyers can afford to keep him...
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:28 PM ET

Masterton: http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...r-2012-masterton-nominee/

Jagr or Max Pac?

I got to go Max, that was serious injury and now goals? Jagr has had a good comeback, I wouldn't call it amazing or completely unexpected.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:28 PM ET
His Q offer would 2.25, not 2.5. Arbitrator's don't offer a salary.
- MJL


I think you know what I meant.. If Voracek asks for more then 3.5 million, I HIGHLY doubt he would get it based on his production.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:29 PM ET
Funny you should say that. I think the real issue here is just that:

Has Bryzgalov made some mechanical adjustments? (I haven't noticed any, except for simply being square to shooter and challenging the angles aggressively, but then again I never played goal a day in my life)

It's been said that Bryzgalov put in extra work after the All-Star break. Was there a particular area that he wanted to work on that has clicked in? Did he do a lot of video review?

To me, that's more interesting and relevant on the ice than whether he's "happy" right now.

- bmeltzer

OK now I can get off here and take my son to tee ball
But seriously if anyone can get an interview in with him it should be you Bill, hopefully in the offseason. If you do get said interview let him know there's actually a bunch of us pulling for him! And yes I'm sure he's happy right now! If not he really would need his head checked
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:29 PM ET
Bryzgalov's "cold" demeanor with the media is all a big, calculated act. As Timonen said last night (and Bryzgalov himself said on 24/7) when asked for the umpteenth time about Bryzgalov's personality, Bryzgalov puts on one face for the media and another in the locker room among his teammates.

Right now, I guarantee you that Bryzgalov is having more fun playing the "I don't want to talk about me" game than he did during the months while the team PR guys were assigned to stand guard and limit his media availability time so that he didn't say the "wrong" things.

He's playing great, his teammates now have a world of confidence in him and the more he scowls and ducks as many interviews as possible, the more he's more or less left alone to stay in his zone.

Not a bad tradeoff when the results have been so dramatic on the ice.

- bmeltzer


Yeah. But I bet there are those (Glen, I'm not listening, but I bet you're doing this) that are saying it's a sign he's unstable or unsuited to play in the playoffs.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:30 PM ET
Well, he was acquitted, anyway.
- tangent_man

we'll agree to disagree
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