There's always going to be fan criticism, especially on youtube. I do like that he puts his reasoning on the line, it feels a lot less cloak and dagger.

EDIT: leight again
- BulliesPhan87

BulliesleightPhan87?

You are talking about 2 different things in my opinion. Getting pushed around, and the ability to physically move someone are not the same. Neither Carle or Timonen get pushed around on the ice.
- MBFlyerfan

Fair enough.

There will always be morons. At least now it's not Colin Campbell tossing out verdicts without explanations.
- Jsaquella

And thank God for that. There was nothing more frustrating than hearing player x was suspended for z number of games.... because i said so.

Would like to see Carle re-signed too.
- bradleyc4

cap reportedly going up to 69 mil and as high as 72 is good news for that scenario.

BulliesleightPhan87?
- MBFlyerfan

As always, I'm behind the times. Damn it, I'm too young to be old!

what would you guys be willing to give carle to stay? he is definitely one of the more underrated players around but it is a weak year coming up so he could finally get some attention

cap reportedly going up to 69 mil and as high as 72 is good news for that scenario.
- OrangeBlack27

I had heard a few days ago there was significant support for limiting the increase in the cap ceiling this year and actually lowering the cap floor. Not sure if that went anywhere, but food for thought.

cap reportedly going up to 69 mil and as high as 72 is good news for that scenario.
- OrangeBlack27

I think I would like it if we could re-sign Carle, Kubina, and Grossmann. If we do, then perhaps we can trade Meszaros to free up some cap space. I would think he is worth more then the 2nd rounder we gave up for him, and 4 million is a lot to be paying a 5-6th d-man when you have guys like Manning, Bourdon, and Gus capable of playing 5-6 minutes.

cap reportedly going up to 69 mil and as high as 72 is good news for that scenario.
- OrangeBlack27

There are a few of us who think Carle at 5m > Suter at 7m. Then take that extra cap space to sign Grossmann.

The cap going up would certainly be nice.

I really like Grossmann, I watch him a lot on the ice, especially in the d zone. Love it when he battles in front. The guy likes to lay the wood on opposing players.


You know you are doing it right if you feel it right back here!

I'll have to respectfully disagree. They aren't pushovers by any stretch but they also aren't moving any big body in front of the net either.
- pyromantic

Clearing the crease is an overused term these days. Can't do what you used to do. The best way to clear the crease is to keep the puck away from the crease.

I had heard a few days ago there was significant support for limiting the increase in the cap ceiling this year and actually lowering the cap floor. Not sure if that went anywhere, but food for thought.
- BulliesPhan87

friedman and other cbc guys were saying 69 and as high as 72 based on what the PA wants to do, but the CBA expiring in mid-september throws a wrench into that , of course.

the cap floor should absolutely be lowered, though. maybe it hurts the players in the first year or two, but benefits everyone over the long haul, imo. players' salaries are tied to revenues. so long as teams aren't forced to spend more than they afford, revenues should improve, right?

Oh what a night! Aside from the exquisite goaltending and yes it was a team shutout, What is with this Coburn-Grossmann pairing?! It is just not right what these two are doing to the opposition! When Grossmann came here if someone would have told me then that he would end up being a fixture on a tandem with Coburn that becomes a shutdown pair I would have scoffed! I just can't get over it! It seems that these two would not be a good duo together but is it me or does Coburn look like a much better skater recently? Also I pray to the hockey gods the Flyers lock Grossmann up for a longtime this summer! He was as some have said born to be a Flyer.

There are a few of us who think Carle at 5m > Suter at 7m. Then take that extra cap space to sign Grossmann.

The cap going up would certainly be nice.

I really like Grossmann, I watch him a lot on the ice, especially in the d zone. Love it when he battles in front. The guy likes to lay the wood on opposing players.


- MBFlyerfan

Personally, I'd prefer the Flyers re-sign Carle and Grossmann (maybe even Kubina, if the dollars are right) than go for Suter. I feel we definitely need that "true #1 defenseman", but I don't think that's something we'll be able to get this summer. It's a need I feel will have to be filled via trade.

There are a few of us who think Carle at 5m > Suter at 7m. Then take that extra cap space to sign Grossmann.

The cap going up would certainly be nice.

I really like Grossmann, I watch him a lot on the ice, especially in the d zone. Love it when he battles in front. The guy likes to lay the wood on opposing players.


You know you are doing it right if you feel it right back here!


- MBFlyerfan

so if you had your pick, you would take carle and grossman say at a combined 7 as opposed to suter for 7 and a fill in at say roughly a mill?

I think I would like it if we could re-sign Carle, Kubina, and Grossmann. If we do, then perhaps we can trade Meszaros to free up some cap space. I would think he is worth more then the 2nd rounder we gave up for him, and 4 million is a lot to be paying a 5-6th d-man when you have guys like Manning, Bourdon, and Gus capable of playing 5-6 minutes.
- RooNosHockey

It would be a real bad move to trade Meszaros in part to keep Kubina.

And it is an old argument to be assingning a random number to a player and using it to say it's too much to pay. Look instead on how the player is used, and how much he plays.

what would you guys be willing to give carle to stay? he is definitely one of the more underrated players around but it is a weak year coming up so he could finally get some attention
- stayinthefnnet

I wouldn't go above 5 million. If he doesn't want to stay and give a team discount then c-ya. I would expect him to get between 5-5.75. I cant see anyone giving him more then 6, and if they do, the Flyers cant afford to match that for an above agerage defenseman.

You have to figure, with selling a house, moving the family, buying a new house... a 1 million dollar discount to the home team is about equal to the emotional stress, and financial stress of moving... at least IMO.

There are a few of us who think Carle at 5m > Suter at 7m. Then take that extra cap space to sign Grossmann.

The cap going up would certainly be nice.

I really like Grossmann, I watch him a lot on the ice, especially in the d zone. Love it when he battles in front. The guy likes to lay the wood on opposing players.


You know you are doing it right if you feel it right back here!


- MBFlyerfan

i would be included in that "few of us".

so if you had your pick, you would take carle and grossman say at a combined 7 as opposed to suter for 7 and a fill in at say roughly a mill?
- stayinthefnnet

You couldn't get Carle and Grossmann at a combined 7 million. It would probably be closer to 8 or 9 million.

And yes, I would take Carle and Grossman at that number over Suter at 7 and some pylon.

so if you had your pick, you would take carle and grossman say at a combined 7 as opposed to suter for 7 and a fill in at say roughly a mill?
- stayinthefnnet

In a heartbeat. And I like Ryan Suter. But he's not worth $2mm more than Matt Carle.

It would be a real bad move to trade Meszaros in part to keep Kubina.

And it is an old argument to be assingning a random number to a player and using it to say it's too much to pay. Look instead on how the player is used, and how much he plays.
- MJL

I'm not saying trade Meszaros to fit Kubina... I'm saying if you can get kubina to stay at a cheap price, it gives you the ability to move a more expensive Meszaros for something the team needs...

friedman and other cbc guys were saying 69 and as high as 72 based on what the PA wants to do, but the CBA expiring in mid-september throws a wrench into that , of course.

the cap floor should absolutely be lowered, though. maybe it hurts the players in the first year or two, but benefits everyone over the long haul, imo. players' salaries are tied to revenues. so long as teams aren't forced to spend more than they afford, revenues should improve, right?
- OrangeBlack27

Sounds right. I can definitely understand wanting the floor lowered. I just wonder when a new CBA gets done, hopefully sooner rather than later.

I wouldn't go above 5 million. If he doesn't want to stay and give a team discount then c-ya. I would expect him to get between 5-5.75. I cant see anyone giving him more then 6, and if they do, the Flyers cant afford to match that for an above agerage defenseman.

You have to figure, with selling a house, moving the family, buying a new house... a 1 million dollar discount to the home team is about equal to the emotional stress, and financial stress of moving... at least IMO.
- RooNosHockey

I don't see how that is worth a Million bucks IMO. And it's not just 1M. It's 1M a year over the life of a deal. It's a lot of money. Hire somebody to move, and let the Wife pick out the house.

You couldn't get Carle and Grossmann at a combined 7 million. It would probably be closer to 8 or 9 million.

And yes, I would take Carle and Grossman at that number over Suter at 7 and some pylon.
- MBFlyerfan

i forgot grossman was a free agent. i was thinking along the lines of carle at 5ish and grossman staying at 2, which you are right he wont do. so for your 8-9 mil youd take the two you have rather than go after Suter. definitely interesting, although hard to necessarily find fault with. two underrated players by far. although i had thought suter was very high on the wish list

I'll have to respectfully disagree. They aren't pushovers by any stretch but they also aren't moving any big body in front of the net either.
- pyromantic

So you were saying they get pushed around but are now saying they can't push anyone around.

EDIT: Leight to the dogpile!

Would be kind of nice to resign Kubina, Carle, and Grossmann, then trade Meszaros, a pick and Voracek to Toronto for Schenn and Kulemin in the offseason.