what's today's hobbyhorse?

actually thought briere was one of the better flyers on the ice today. been playing better the last few actually, imo

I find this point hard to argue.
- feelingkettle

who does Briere typically line up with?

who does Briere typically line up with?
- GuyLaDouche

rotating linemates all year due to injuries, etc

actually thought briere was one of the better flyers on the ice today. been playing better the last few actually, imo
- Crimsoninja

Until the rest of his career transpires, you can't offer his career being over as fact. This amnesty isn't fact, either. The only basis for it is that some guys somewhere said that it's be a good idea for some reason. Do you think the NHLPA is going to be ok with giving thirty of its members the shaft? Let's not forget, they have the leverage of refusing the realignment the NHL wants. So again, this amnesty option is PURELY supposition.

He's had one bad season, assuming this continues through to the offseason. Let's leave the unnecessary name value of Scott Gomez out of this and focus on the fact at hand: Danny Briere is a highly paid player on the Flyers with a big salary contract, three more seasons, and a NMC (given the factors, expect him to be a Flyer next season), and he's had a poor season. Nothing beyond that is a given.
- BulliesPhan87

Amnesty was a reality in the past, it's not a pipe dream to think it can't exist again.

How much longer does he get a pass for not performing then from you? His pass is already burnt up from me. He has no excuse to not perform. Your highest paid player needs to perform that is the bottom line.

- feelingkettle

that would be instaban for me

rotating linemates all year due to injuries, etc
- Crimsoninja

Giroux could score with Shelly and a street cone on his line

rotating linemates all year due to injuries, etc
- Crimsoninja

not a great year but not horrible either. could be worse. could be Horcoff.

Giroux could score with Shelly and a street cone on his line
- Flyers Time

omg are you saying giroux is better than briere??????

Believe it or not Joe, he is on pace for 44 points in 72 games. His previous worst season as a Flyer was in 08-09 where he played 75 games and got 53 points. He could have a good end to the season and match that total.

So I think your announcing the end of his career is pretty ridiculous.
- feelingkettle

and you find that acceptable at 6.5 million?

omg are you saying giroux is better than briere??????
- Crimsoninja

If you look at his contract numbers, Briere should be better. If Giroux has 90 points, Briere should have 180.

Oh my gaude.

Amnesty was a reality in the past, it's not a pipe dream to think it can't exist again.

How much longer does he get a pass for not performing then from you? His pass is already burnt up from me. He has no excuse to not perform. Your highest paid player needs to perform that is the bottom line.
- JoeRussomanno

Overpaid players are a reality. common really. almost every team has at least one. if they perform badly they're untradeable, so all there really is to do is just accept what they do well and hope they play better.

If you look at his contract numbers, Briere should be better. If Giroux has 90 points, Briere should have 180.

Oh my gaude.
- feelingkettle

He shouldn't have 180 that's obviously ridiculous but he should be a lot closer than 44.

omg are you saying giroux is better than briere??????
- Crimsoninja

All I am saying is Briere is a walking raise for Giroux

and you find that acceptable at 6.5 million?
- JoeRussomanno

A guy who is usually a 60-70 something point player and money in the playoffs is having a down year when he had a concussion and less than ideal wingers. I don't really get angry about it, but maybe he slapped your dog or something. I dont' know.

Overpaid players are a reality. common really. almost every team has at least one. if they perform badly they're untradeable, so all there really is to do is just accept what they do well and hope they play better.
- GuyLaDouche

Believe me when I tell you: I am hoping.

He shouldn't have 180 that's obviously ridiculous but he should be a lot closer than 44.
- JoeRussomanno

But he is making twice as much as Giroux. He should obviously be 2x better.

All I am saying is Briere is a walking raise for Giroux
- Flyers Time

Giroux will get a massive raise no matter what.

He shouldn't have 180 that's obviously ridiculous but he should be a lot closer than 44.
- JoeRussomanno

it is what it is

everyone knows he's having a down year, including him

A guy who is usually a 60-70 something point player and money in the playoffs is having a down year when he had a concussion and less than ideal wingers. I don't really get angry about it, but maybe he slapped your dog or something. I dont' know.
- feelingkettle

That he is not.

That he is not.
- JoeRussomanno

I said usually. Obviously he is not this year. I and most people would call that an off year. I'm not concerned because that's not his usual stat line.

Apparently you think his career is over.

it is what it is

everyone knows he's having a down year, including him
- Crimsoninja

It don't

Amnesty was a reality in the past, it's not a pipe dream to think it can't exist again.

How much longer does he get a pass for not performing then from you? His pass is already burnt up from me. He has no excuse to not perform. Your highest paid player needs to perform that is the bottom line.
- JoeRussomanno

Wait, so the amnesty occurring ONCE after a drastic change to the CBA (the institution of the salary cap) is historical basis enough to believe that, against ALL LOGIC (logic you didn't bother to address), there will be one again. The historical basis of Briere CONSISTENTLY providing in the playoffs isn't valid, though? I'm sorry, but this is just plain ridiculous in my mind.

You're putting words in my mouth with this "giving a pass" nonsense. I've flat out said he's been bad. It's been a bad season, and there's no guarantee he'll have a better postseason. All I've said is that it's not impossible for him to turn around a bad regular season to have a good postseason. Scott Hartnell would probably agree it's possible; and that the suggestion that Briere's career is over is also purely supposition, until he's played his last game and the numbers are at last tallied.

This isn't about excuses, this isn't about giving passes. This is about execution and results, both of which have not been good for Briere at all this season. The only thing that can be done is for him to get on the ice and try to be better, because there's virtually NO chance that he's leaving the Flyers anytime soon. As a fan of the Flyers and of Briere, the only reasonable course of action for me is to hope he can be better, and to root for my team.

I said usually. Obviously he is not this year. I and most people would call that an off year. I'm not concerned because that's not his usual stat line.

Apparently you think his career is over.
- feelingkettle

He's an average 42 point a year player, so no he isn't even usually that. If you don't count the rookie season but still lump in the points he's only a 48 point a year guy.