I've watched the clip. The frame-by-frame is a lot more vicious looking than the actual hit. Sedin is not a big guy and he's not a know hitter. There was zero elbow to the head in that hit; the elbow is tucked like it's meant to be. It's standard shoulder-to-body contact with incidental contact to the head. The head does not get driven into the boards with any body part of Sedin's touching it. Sedin is in the centre of the Keith's chest when Keith contacts the boards.

It's not ever okay for Keith to do what he did. These plays are not interchangable.
- micah555

Is that a clear enough explanation hawk fans?

He was shoulder/elbow checking to his HEAD. His HEAD! That's where you're wrong.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Where the fuk is the elbow in the clip. Please tell me where Sedin is wildy flayling his elbow.

Where the fuk is the elbow in the clip. Please tell me where Sedin is wildy flayling his elbow.
- TheCouv

Yeah what he said

I've watched the clip. The frame-by-frame is a lot more vicious looking than the actual hit. Sedin is not a big guy and he's not a know hitter. There was zero elbow to the head in that hit; the elbow is tucked like it's meant to be. It's standard shoulder-to-body contact with incidental contact to the head. The head does not get driven into the boards with any body part of Sedin's touching it. Sedin is in the centre of the Keith's chest when Keith contacts the boards.

It's not ever okay for Keith to do what he did. These plays are not interchangable.
- micah555

This is not about comparing hits. Keith should and will be suspended for his.
However, looking at the clip of Sedin's hit, the primary point of contact is Keith's head. Intent or not, he takes a shoulder to the face. That is what is going to get Sedin in hot water.

Keith's head jerks back violently, but his chest remains in the same position. It has nothing to do with his head being slammed into the boards. One of Shanahan's criteria is "primary/principal point of contact", which is clearly met here.

The fact that Keith will get 5 games or less makes the 4 game suspension for Rome in the STANLEY CUP FINAL look more pathetic by the day.

Daniel's hit wasn't a hockey hit, any hit to the head, intentional or unintentional (where the shoulder rises up accidentally) needs to be taken out of the game. Daniel's hit was a penalty, it was slightly late, from behind and the shoulder made contact with the head and under the headshot rule, it should be a penalty and no call was made. If Daniel gets 2 minutes there (which it deserves seeing as there was no injury or intent to injure), that elbow never happens. I'm not defending Keith here, but to say that Daniel's hit was clean and then on the same hand slamming Keith is just super homerism. I don't think there will be any suspensions here, Daniel made it to the bench on his own power, looked fairly alert and answered questions from the trainers. I think they kept him out of the rest of the game for his own protection seeing as it got out of control after that. Keith might get a warning and a fine, but he's not getting a suspension since he's a) The Blackhawks #1 D-man b) Not a repeat offender c) Did not get called for a 5 minute major and d) The Blackhawks are in a race for home ice in the playoffs. All these factors will mitigate any suspension that might be coming Keith's way. Either way, maybe it's time to start taking hitting out of the game and going the NFL route where supplemental discipline is harsh.
- DariusKnight

You guys that want hitting out of the game....I wish you would go watch Ping Pong.

This is not about comparing hits. Keith should and will be suspended for his.
However, looking at the clip of Sedin's hit, the primary point of contact is Keith's head. Intent or not, he takes a shoulder to the face. That is what is going to get Sedin in hot water.

Keith's head jerks back violently, but his chest remains in the same position. It has nothing to do with his head being slammed into the boards. One of Shanahan's criteria is "primary/principal point of contact", which is clearly met here.
- Tanuki

That criteria relates to hits like Cooke on Savard where the head is the target. The contact with Keith's head is incidental to the hit and not the primary or principal point on the hit.

Not as a homer, but as a hockey fan, I would be shocked and astonished if Sedin got anything for his hit.

That criteria relates to hits like Cooke on Savard where the head is the target. The contact with Keith's head is incidental to the hit and not the primary or principal point on the hit.

Not as a homer, but as a hockey fan, I would be shocked and astonished if Sedin got anything for his hit.
- micah555

watched it a few times now, Sedins has his left knee bent, he actually lowers down rather than launching up. Keith had his head down, I agree, I'd be surprised if he even gets a fine based on similar hits that have gone unpunished this year.

Ian, perhaps a new blog, wholly un related, to wipe the slate clean?

I am not even sure why people care if Sedin is suspended.... It isn't like he isn't going to miss games anyways.

I am not even sure why people care if Sedin is suspended.... It isn't like he isn't going to miss games anyways.
- SMP8719

Somehow there is a sense that he had it coming which would vindicate Keith.

That criteria relates to hits like Cooke on Savard where the head is the target. The contact with Keith's head is incidental to the hit and not the primary or principal point on the hit.

Not as a homer, but as a hockey fan, I would be shocked and astonished if Sedin got anything for his hit.
- micah555

His shoulder gets entirely chin on initial contact. It doesn't hit shoulder and glance up. It's a bad hit, no elbow, and far less flagrant than Keith, but it's a bad hit. Deserves to at least get him on the naughty list for potential future infractions, which let's face it are unlikely.

take accountability for what exactly? Sedin will get nothing more than a fine, if that. For me, the hit was a fraction late. The hit was a bit high on Dk's chest, and a rode up to make contact with his head, but IMO, the intent TO HEADHUNT, wasnt there. Keith's hit on Danny, his intent was obvious; to deliver a blow to Daniel's head, ergo to injure him.
- TLinden16

For you Sedin's hit was a fraction late. and "a bit high" and "rode up to make contact with his head". For me it was simply late, high, and made the head the initial point of contact. the intent to "headhunt" probably wasnt there, but it didnt look good. normally a guy with no rep gets a game or two, right? at the very least a fine? Both those things signify some wrongdoing on sedin's part, right?

Dk, under those same guidelines, will most likely be suspdnd, too. I have no problem with this, it seems just: fine/1-2 gm susp for sedin and 2-5 games for Keith.

Should Daniel Sedin have answered for his arguably cheap hit to the much smaller Keith by responding to a challenge from a similarly sized Hawk_Bickel? Bollig? Probably (Certainly, by canuck players' standards). But we all know that wouldn't have happened. He just sits back and says "hockey hit", "i didnt mean to hit his head", etc.. Plus, Keith took him out of the game anyway.

And Keith. He too, should have dropped his gloves with the hairpuller, or bieska, or someone else his size for his forearm shiver to Sedin's head. But we all know that wouldn't have happened either. He just sits back and says "he elbowed me first", "i didnt mean to hurt anyone," etc...

so the league says to Daniel 'hey, that hit is bush league so you get $x fine and 1 game' and to Keith 'that hit is waay bush league so you get 3-5 games.'

isnt it that simple?

So the league

Dan Murphy ‏ @sportsnetmurph
Canucks Lines: Raymond-Henrik-Kassian Booth-Kesler-Burrows Higgins-Pahlsson-Hansen Malhotra-Lapierre-Weise

That first line (whether they'll get first line minutes or not) should be interesting to watch. Also interested to see what Burrows can do with the Kesler/Booth.

Is that a clear enough explanation hawk fans?
- TLinden16

By all means, let's all take the word of some anonymous ja who posts as the law.

It was a hit to the head, pure and simple.

Keith's elbow to the head was dirty, pure and simple.

But don't try to explain that a shoulder to the head is a good clean hockey play, and without intent. Don't try to put yourself in Sedin's head. There's a good possibility that he was wise enough to just use his shoulder, believing he'd get away with...a hit to the head, vs being blatant about it like Keith.

The were both head shots, Keith's was stupid and vicious, but they were still both head shots. Don't give me this, his body was positionined thus, so it there was no intent.

I know Hawk fans are whiners, but most of the Nuck fans are just delusional.

His shoulder gets entirely chin on initial contact. It doesn't hit shoulder and glance up. It's a bad hit, no elbow, and far less flagrant than Keith, but it's a bad hit. Deserves to at least get him on the naughty list for potential future infractions, which let's face it are unlikely.
- Double_A

You can't tell that from the angle that TSN showed. It looks like contact is all quite simultaneous with the arm getting into the body and the head meeting the shoulder.

The notion that it is intent to injure or any kind of malicious hit is what makes it so silly. Hitting is legal in hockey. Guys get hit every game. Whether is hurt or not is irrelevant. Keith was a puck carrier until right before the hit and he is fair game for body contact. Sedin wasn't head hunting, he was making a hockey hit. The fact that nobody noticed it until TSN found it is pretty telling.

That criteria relates to hits like Cooke on Savard where the head is the target. The contact with Keith's head is incidental to the hit and not the primary or principal point on the hit.

Not as a homer, but as a hockey fan, I would be shocked and astonished if Sedin got anything for his hit.
- micah555

micah, you're usually a voice of reason but I have to disagree... no there was not an elbow, but there was a motion into Keith with the shoulder and intentional or not it was a head shot.

Rule 48 - Illegal Check to the Head

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

the debate is whether he should see any supplementary discipline... He should, though a fine would be sufficient (IMO). Keith's was as bad as Doan's...

For you Sedin's hit was a fraction late. and "a bit high" and "rode up to make contact with his head". For me it was simply late, high, and made the head the initial point of contact. the intent to "headhunt" probably wasnt there, but it didnt look good. normally a guy with no rep gets a game or two, right? at the very least a fine? Both those things signify some wrongdoing on sedin's part, right?

Dk, under those same guidelines, will most likely be suspdnd, too. I have no problem with this, it seems just: fine/1-2 gm susp for sedin and 2-5 games for Keith.

Should Daniel Sedin have answered for his arguably cheap hit to the much smaller Keith by responding to a challenge from a similarly sized Hawk_Bickel? Bollig? Probably (Certainly, by canuck players' standards). But we all know that wouldn't have happened. He just sits back and says "hockey hit", "i didnt mean to hit his head", etc.. Plus, Keith took him out of the game anyway.

And Keith. He too, should have dropped his gloves with the hairpuller, or bieska, or someone else his size for his forearm shiver to Sedin's head. But we all know that wouldn't have happened either. He just sits back and says "he elbowed me first", "i didnt mean to hurt anyone," etc...

so the league says to Daniel 'hey, that hit is bush league so you get $x fine and 1 game' and to Keith 'that hit is waay bush league so you get 3-5 games.'

isnt it that simple?

So the league
- miked23

Sedin is smaller than Keith and Keith the fish-hooker wouldn't even answer the bell to the smalller Burrows.

Canucks forward lines for tonight:
21-33-9
14-17-7
20-26-36
27-40-32

Good to see kickassian get a look on the top line hopefully he brings the pain tonight.

By all means, let's all take the word of some anonymous ja who posts as the law.

It was a hit to the head, pure and simple.

Keith's elbow to the head was dirty, pure and simple.

But don't try to explain that a shoulder to the head is a good clean hockey play, and without intent. Don't try to put yourself in Sedin's head. There's a good possibility that he was wise enough to just use his shoulder, believing he'd get away with...a hit to the head, vs being blatant about it like Keith.

The were both head shots, Keith's was stupid and vicious, but they were still both head shots. Don't give me this, his body was positionined thus, so it there was no intent.

I know Hawk fans are whiners, but most of the Nuck fans are just delusional.
- howiehandles

But it alright for you to put yourself in Sedin's head?

Canucks forward lines for tonight:
21-33-9
14-17-7
20-26-36
27-40-32

Good to see kickassian get a look on the top line hopefully he brings the pain tonight.
- NFLDcanuck

haha, right. Keith shut him up pretty good last night "yeah, you were a hell of an acquisition" burn.

That criteria relates to hits like Cooke on Savard where the head is the target. The contact with Keith's head is incidental to the hit and not the primary or principal point on the hit.

Not as a homer, but as a hockey fan, I would be shocked and astonished if Sedin got anything for his hit.
- micah555

Could you be confusing "principal point of contact" with "targeting". The principal point of contact is the part of the body the checker hits FIRST. This can happen regardless of targeting or intent. I believe the league will come down on you if your hit's principle point of contact is the head-particularly if the hit looks questionable to begin with. If you actually TARGET the head, well...they REALLY throw the book at you.

regardless, if you believe that SOMEONE in the league could see that Sedin made a questionable hit which had the head as its principal point of contact, then you should actually EXPECT supplementary discipline as opposed to being shocked or astonished any comes his way.

Canucks d pairings for tonight:
3-23
8-2
41-5

No salo tonight. Schneider gets the start.
Also kickassian on the top line with king henrik and Bambi Raymond. ITS KICKASSIAN TIME!!!

I am not even sure why people care if Sedin is suspended.... It isn't like he isn't going to miss games anyways.
- SMP8719

This is true. But also, who cares if Keith gets suspended? He'll just be resting up for the playoffs.

Daniel's hit wouldn't even be talked about today if Keith hadn't of thrown a flying elbow at him. So for that reason, and that alone, Daniel won't be suspended and Keith will get 5 games.

micah, you're usually a voice of reason but I have to disagree... no there was not an elbow, but there was a motion into Keith with the shoulder and intentional or not it was a head shot.

Rule 48 - Illegal Check to the Head

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

the debate is whether he should see any supplementary discipline... He should, though a fine would be sufficient (IMO). Keith's was as bad as Doan's...
- geta02it

I'd say this answers any question right here:

...the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

Beyond that, this is a 2 minute penalty, not a suspension criteria. Whether you agree with it or not, suspensions don't get handed out for hits that may or may not have gotten up high. They are only handed out for blatant attempts to injure or careless hits that do cause injury. This is neither. It's a 2- minute minor or nothing. It's not the viscious, brain rattling attack that Hawks fans are trying to suggest it is.

This reminds me of when Tootoo smashed Robidais in the face and Nashville fans were going on about how Modano had used his stick as a weapon when the brought it around after being hit. It's so negligible, it's just weak to try to wean some sympathy out of it.