I know you're smarter than that.

http://yfrog.com/ocjb6rp

Shoulder to the chin of an unexpecting player from a lateral position.. textbook check the league is trying to get rid of.

Most Hawk fans know what Keith did was wrong.. It's telling that most Canuck fans wont acknowledge what Sedin did was wrong.
- pri$ey

Your right - it was wrong and should have been a 2 minute penalty. I don't think too many are arguing with that.

I think the real problem here is the ignorance you Vancouver fans show when defending your team.

As a Hawks fan, Keiths hit on Sedin was dirty, and I understand 100% why you would be yelling for a suspension. If Sedin is out for a while, that is a major loss to your team, and as a fan I can understand your frustrations. I would feel the same way if somebody took a run at a 19, 88, 10, or 81.

You can not honestly watch clips of Sedins hit earlier on Keith and say that Sedins was clean. He clearly took a shot at Keiths head, no debate.


Enjoy the clip below. For all of you fans who probably turned your head to your boy Burrows, this is what you missed! Such a tough guy!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vp8f-byXU
- frafra

I think the real problem is you guys trying to turn this on Sedin and saying he should be suspended. Burrows kneed Keith in the thigh, it wasn't the nuts. Even if it was, he deserved it. You don't think that crap goes on in a football scrum?

Sedin made a hockey hit on Keith, his SHOULDER may have hit his head, but it wasn't intentional or premeditated like Keith's was.

Finally, a team with Daniel Carcillo on it waives all and every right it has to complain about the antics of another team's player.

I think the real problem here is the ignorance you Vancouver fans show when defending your team.

As a Hawks fan, Keiths hit on Sedin was dirty, and I understand 100% why you would be yelling for a suspension. If Sedin is out for a while, that is a major loss to your team, and as a fan I can understand your frustrations. I would feel the same way if somebody took a run at a 19, 88, 10, or 81.

You can not honestly watch clips of Sedins hit earlier on Keith and say that Sedins was clean. He clearly took a shot at Keiths head, no debate.

For all of you Vancouver fans, maybe the best thing for you to do is take a step back from your love for your team and watch from a realistic perspective how some of your players play the game.

Both Sedins and Luongo could all win awards for half of the acting they put on. Burrows and hisPulling of hair, biting, and his after the whistle shenanigans are a disgrace. We all talk about Keith/Sedin being suspended, how about Burrows for breaking a common bond between men, and breaking what some would call a MAN law and kneeing Keith in his balls while he is laying on the ice!!!!
Bieksa must feel real tough with his after the whistle shots on players half his size.
You have no problem giving your team the benefit of doubt, or turning your heads when it comes to close/debatable plays and hits, but you are the first to cry out when it happens back.

Your team is extremely talented. They'd be way less hated if they played the game with respect. Maybe teams like the Hawks and Boston just bring it out of them when they play them? You can bring back your argument about Hawks players your think are dirty, and that's okay. I'm aware that there are plenty of current, and former Hawks players during their successes who did things that walked the line. The facts are though, this Hawks team this year is softer than a blizzard from dairy queen. But they have shown when they want to physically engage back against teams, they can be extremely dangerous.

Enjoy the clip below. For all of you fans who probably turned your head to your boy Burrows, this is what you missed! Such a tough guy!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vp8f-byXU
- frafra

Best post on this topic so far...fair on both sides of the fence... I'm all good with keith get 3-5 games or what ever they slap him with.... Sedin hit on keith i think is fine 2 mins if that... But the knee in the privates .... is the same as kicking.. should be 3-5 games.. guess will find out soon how fair the NHL really is.

Fair post. Totally valid and transparent points. And I 100% agree.
But it's what 99% of fans do with their team...they're innocent and everyone else is guilty. Some Leafs fans even go as far as blaming the refs/NHL for being against them.

It's the sad and embarassing part of sports fans. It can bring out the immature child in some people.
- Juice

And furthermore, Canucks and their fans are called whiners, yet there are so many posts in here from other fans whining about a marginal hit on Duncan Keith.

I think the real problem is you guys trying to turn this on Sedin and saying he should be suspended. Burrows kneed Keith in the thigh, it wasn't the nuts. Even if it was, he deserved it. You don't think that crap goes on in a football scrum?

Sedin made a hockey hit on Keith, his SHOULDER may have hit his head, but it wasn't intentional or premeditated like Keith's was.

Finally, a team with Daniel Carcillo on it waives all and every right it has to complain about the antics of another team's player.
- Scooby_Doo

I'm not trying to turn anything on Sedin. It's just fact. DUNCAN KEITH DESERVES A SUSPENSION FOR HIS RETALIATION HIT ON SEDIN.
Let me point out two things to you with what you have just said. You are upset because Keith responded to Sedins original hit on him...Yet you are okay with Burrows knee to the 'thigh' on Keith because he, 'deserved' it? What you have just said proves exactly my point.
1. Sedin puts a debatable hit on Keith, that did result in an elbow/shoulder to his head. -Vancouver fans seem at most 2 min penalty b/c Sedin has no past history of this type of hit
2. Keith retaliates (COMPLETELY worth of a Suspension it seems to all Hawks fans)
3. Burrows knees Keith in groin/nuts - but this is okay? Keith deserves it?

I don't care about the pile up scrums in the NFL. We aren't talking about football and the NFL. We are talking about the NHL. The NFL is doing a solid job TRYING to protect their quarterbacks and even HEAD SHOTS TOWARDS ALL PLAYERS. We can all agree, the NFL and NHL are the most physically demanding sports. These debatable hits are going to happen. They are fast paced games, and anybody who has played any athletic competition knows that sometimes in the moment we lose are thoughts. My point is that whether you think Sedins hit was/wasn't clean, and whether or not it was his elbow or shoulder, the fact is that he hit Duncan Keith in the head.

With the minor injury to Howard, I think Detroit falls to 6th (*cough cough* on purpose) and plays LA/SJS and Chicago plays Nashville in the first round, where they get absolutely destroyed in 4 straight. Van-Nashville + StL-Det 2nd Round.

I think the real problem is you guys trying to turn this on Sedin and saying he should be suspended. Burrows kneed Keith in the thigh, it wasn't the nuts. Even if it was, he deserved it. You don't think that crap goes on in a football scrum?

Sedin made a hockey hit on Keith, his SHOULDER may have hit his head, but it wasn't intentional or premeditated like Keith's was.

Finally, a team with Daniel Carcillo on it waives all and every right it has to complain about the antics of another team's player.
- Scooby_Doo

Yeah.. i'm sure he was going for the thigh...

So with the knee... its an eye for an eye and keith deserved. which is ok.. fine with that.

Then if its eye for an eye.... the same can be said about the head shot... Sedin missed... keith didn't.

I guess you have to choose

eye for an eye

Fair playing feild for both teams

or

Just one sided

I'm not trying to turn anything on Sedin. It's just fact. DUNCAN KEITH DESERVES A SUSPENSION FOR HIS RETALIATION HIT ON SEDIN.
Let me point out two things to you with what you have just said. You are upset because Keith responded to Sedins original hit on him...Yet you are okay with Burrows knee to the 'thigh' on Keith because he, 'deserved' it? What you have just said proves exactly my point.
1. Sedin puts a debatable hit on Keith, that did result in an elbow/shoulder to his head. -Vancouver fans seem at most 2 min penalty b/c Sedin has no past history of this type of hit
2. Keith retaliates (COMPLETELY worth of a Suspension it seems to all Hawks fans)
3. Burrows knees Keith in groin/nuts - but this is okay? Keith deserves it?

I don't care about the pile up scrums in the NFL. We aren't talking about football and the NFL. We are talking about the NHL. The NFL is doing a solid job TRYING to protect their quarterbacks and even HEAD SHOTS TOWARDS ALL PLAYERS. We can all agree, the NFL and NHL are the most physically demanding sports. These debatable hits are going to happen. They are fast paced games, and anybody who has played any athletic competition knows that sometimes in the moment we lose are thoughts. My point is that whether you think Sedins hit was/wasn't clean, and whether or not it was his elbow or shoulder, the fact is that he hit Duncan Keith in the head.
- frafra

Do you know for a fact that there wasn't something that Keith did to Sedin leading up to his hit on Keith? Where does it all start and end?
Any body who knows anything about the Sedins will tell you that they aren't vengeful players who skate around the ice trying to take another player out. I have watched those players for years and have never seen them do anything remotely violent.

Do you know for a fact that there wasn't something that Keith did to Sedin leading up to his hit on Keith? Where does it all start and end?
Any body who knows anything about the Sedins will tell you that they aren't vengeful players who skate around the ice trying to take another player out. I have watched those players for years and have never seen them do anything remotely violent.
- docmorgan

or maybe Sedin said something to Keith... but who really knows.

This fun beating a dead horse for 2 days.

Do you know for a fact that there wasn't something that Keith did to Sedin leading up to his hit on Keith? Where does it all start and end?
Any body who knows anything about the Sedins will tell you that they aren't vengeful players who skate around the ice trying to take another player out. I have watched those players for years and have never seen them do anything remotely violent.
- docmorgan

I understand 100% your point. Whether it was intentional or not, isn't the point. The FACT is if you watch a replay, Keith was hit in the head. We are talking about eliminating head shots, and unfortunately Keith was hit in the head. I'm not calling the Sedin brothers dirty. I'm saying that the fact is, Keith was hit in the head originally. There was no call, whatever. It happens, calls are missed, it's a rough game. That's not saying it was okay for Keith to retaliate the way that he did- and his hit on Sedin was very worthy of a suspension.

Imagine this situation.....Marcus Kruger puts the same hit that Sedin put on Duncan Keith on Henrik Sedin. Marcus Kruger isn't a violent player, and shows no part of it in his style. You would want a penalty called on Kruger tho or a suspension to be served for a HIT TO THE HEAD. After all, that is what we are all debating it seems.

I think the real problem is you guys trying to turn this on Sedin and saying he should be suspended. Burrows kneed Keith in the thigh, it wasn't the nuts. Even if it was, he deserved it. You don't think that crap goes on in a football scrum?

Sedin made a hockey hit on Keith, his SHOULDER may have hit his head, but it wasn't intentional or premeditated like Keith's was.

Finally, a team with Daniel Carcillo on it waives all and every right it has to complain about the antics of another team's player.
- Scooby_Doo

So one retaliation is fine, the other is not?


Also, why do you highlight the Shoulder to the head as though that's a defense? Shoulder hits to the head are illegal ... just like elbows ... unless you just haven't watched any games for the last year and a half, I have a hard time believing you don't understand that.

I understand 100% your point. Whether it was intentional or not, isn't the point. The FACT is if you watch a replay, Keith was hit in the head. We are talking about eliminating head shots, and unfortunately Keith was hit in the head. I'm not calling the Sedin brothers dirty. I'm saying that the fact is, Keith was hit in the head originally. There was no call, whatever. It happens, calls are missed, it's a rough game. That's not saying it was okay for Keith to retaliate the way that he did- and his hit on Sedin was very worthy of a suspension.

Imagine this situation.....Marcus Kruger puts the same hit that Sedin put on Duncan Keith on Henrik Sedin. Marcus Kruger isn't a violent player, and shows no part of it in his style. You would want a penalty called on Kruger tho or a suspension to be served for a HIT TO THE HEAD. After all, that is what we are all debating it seems.
- frafra

And round and round we go...

And furthermore, Canucks and their fans are called whiners, yet there are so many posts in here from other fans whining about a marginal hit on Duncan Keith.
- docmorgan

Yup. Its fun to deal with the blinded folk who can't see past their team.

No, Bergeron was poking Burrows's mouth–it was more than a facewash. And how can you draw similarities between tugging a guys hair and viciously throwing an elbow to the face? The severity of the acts are on completely different levels. But you're going to find a way to put the Canucks in the wrong any chance you get.
- Fosco

LOL, keep drinking the kool-aid. All of a sudden classy, stand-up Bergeron turned into Mankind and delivered the mandable claw to Burrows. A facewash is a facewash.

I'm not.. My point is to illustrate the Canucks have dirty players on their team, and aren't a bunch of knights in white armor.

Nope. Never fined for that.

He was fined for his comments regarding Referee Stephane Auger.

You're really pulling stuff out of your arse here. If you had a good point I'd admit, but making stuff up? Nah. Kinda pathetic.
- Mattjd123

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Burrows [Source]

"During the season, he was fined an undisclosed amount by the league after spearing Detroit Red Wings forward Aaron Downey at centre ice during the two teams' pre-game skate on February 23, 2008."

"Following a game against the Edmonton Oilers on April 4, Burrows received a $2,500 fine from the league for punching Oilers enforcer Zach Stortini from the bench."

Who's pulling what out of their arse now? So I guess you're about to admit it then.

I'm not trying to turn anything on Sedin. It's just fact. DUNCAN KEITH DESERVES A SUSPENSION FOR HIS RETALIATION HIT ON SEDIN.
Let me point out two things to you with what you have just said. You are upset because Keith responded to Sedins original hit on him...Yet you are okay with Burrows knee to the 'thigh' on Keith because he, 'deserved' it? What you have just said proves exactly my point.
1. Sedin puts a debatable hit on Keith, that did result in an elbow/shoulder to his head. -Vancouver fans seem at most 2 min penalty b/c Sedin has no past history of this type of hit
2. Keith retaliates (COMPLETELY worth of a Suspension it seems to all Hawks fans)
3. Burrows knees Keith in groin/nuts - but this is okay? Keith deserves it?

I don't care about the pile up scrums in the NFL. We aren't talking about football and the NFL. We are talking about the NHL. The NFL is doing a solid job TRYING to protect their quarterbacks and even HEAD SHOTS TOWARDS ALL PLAYERS. We can all agree, the NFL and NHL are the most physically demanding sports. These debatable hits are going to happen. They are fast paced games, and anybody who has played any athletic competition knows that sometimes in the moment we lose are thoughts. My point is that whether you think Sedins hit was/wasn't clean, and whether or not it was his elbow or shoulder, the fact is that he hit Duncan Keith in the head.
- frafra

Three options:

1) 10 of the the knees in the groin area by Burrows
2) 5 of the body checks with head contact that Sedin gave to Keith
3) 1 of the elbows to the head that Keith gave Sedin

Which of the above would you prefer?

Several Hawks fans have come on here outraged that Canucks fans can't see the injustices that were done to Keith. Most Canucks fans have responded that Sedin's hit would have warranted a minor penalty as that is the league standard and meets what's detailed in the rule book. Some have said, sure suspend him a game or two. Burrows could also have received a two minute minor for his 'actions' but then I suppose the roughing and misconduct penalty he got was sort of an all-inclusive package.

Neither of the things that happened to Keith had any impact on his ability to continue through the remainder of the game and help his team win. Neither was as serious as what he did to Sedin.

Nobody's claiming blanket innocence for the Canucks because Sedin was the victim of Keith's suspension-worthy play. But similarly Keith's actions can't in any way be mitigated or justified because you didn't like things the Canucks did before or after. Try to focus on just one issue at a time and you'll find more people are in agreement with you.

So one retaliation is fine, the other is not?


Also, why do you highlight the Shoulder to the head as though that's a defense? Shoulder hits to the head are illegal ... just like elbows ... unless you just haven't watched any games for the last year and a half, I have a hard time believing you don't understand that.
- Double_A

A shoulder hit to the head, while illegal as I have pointed out (should have been a penalty), is not the same as an elbow to the head. I shouldn't have to explain why.

Three options:

1) 10 of the the knees in the groin area by Burrows
2) 5 of the body checks with head contact that Sedin gave to Keith
3) 1 of the elbows to the head that Keith gave Sedin

Which of the above would you prefer?

Several Hawks fans have come on here outraged that Canucks fans can't see the injustices that were done to Keith. Most Canucks fans have responded that Sedin's hit would have warranted a minor penalty as that is the league standard and meets what's detailed in the rule book. Some have said, sure suspend him a game or two. Burrows could also have received a two minute minor for his 'actions' but then I suppose the roughing and misconduct penalty he got was sort of an all-inclusive package.

Neither of the things that happened to Keith had any impact on his ability to continue through the remainder of the game and help his team win. Neither was as serious as what he did to Sedin.

Nobody's claiming blanket innocence for the Canucks because Sedin was the victim of Keith's suspension-worthy play. But similarly Keith's actions can't in any way be mitigated or justified because you didn't like things the Canucks did before or after. Try to focus on just one issue at a time and you'll find more people are in agreement with you.
- YeOldTimer

I agree with this. I am 100% for Keith serving a suspension for his hit on Sedin. The 3 things I pointed out were a sequence of events, and as a response to a post before it. The Sedin/Keith incidents were related. the Burrows/Keith is a whole other story.

Let's all agree...the 2012 playoffs will be awesome, and can't get here soon enough.

The reason this should be 25 games or more.

If there is audio of Keith threatning Sedin and a ref standing beside the play hearing it,there could be a major suit (a la Bertuzzi) against the NHL. If you have a verbal threat followed with that player skating over to to player the other player and swinging his elbow with intent to injure ,then Sedin if he is out for any length of time (a la Bergeron or Pronger) could sue the NHL for not protecting the players.If there was a verbal threat heard by a ref then Keith should have been ejected from the game. They will throw you out for making banana comments why not someone threatning to injure?
Insurance companies are going to get tired of paying these long term injuries Pronger Bregeron Crosby Toews Ballard Sedin (maybe).Work safe Canada may also step in telling the NHL to clean up their act before someone is killed.

On that elbow there was no hockey play.It was a clear intent to injure and should be penalized with at least 25 games like Cooke or Bertuzzi.
- VANTEL

25 games... really... can you send me some of that BC bud...you sure speculate alot... 3, 5 games may be... what sports site reported verbal threat?

Watching the Chicago Wolves play Lake Erie (must have been last night?) Schroeder scored on the PP from the half wall with an absolute howitzer. Didn't know he could shoot like that!

Three options:

1) 10 of the the knees in the groin area by Burrows
2) 5 of the body checks with head contact that Sedin gave to Keith
3) 1 of the elbows to the head that Keith gave Sedin

Which of the above would you prefer?

Several Hawks fans have come on here outraged that Canucks fans can't see the injustices that were done to Keith. Most Canucks fans have responded that Sedin's hit would have warranted a minor penalty as that is the league standard and meets what's detailed in the rule book. Some have said, sure suspend him a game or two. Burrows could also have received a two minute minor for his 'actions' but then I suppose the roughing and misconduct penalty he got was sort of an all-inclusive package.

Neither of the things that happened to Keith had any impact on his ability to continue through the remainder of the game and help his team win. Neither was as serious as what he did to Sedin.

Nobody's claiming blanket innocence for the Canucks because Sedin was the victim of Keith's suspension-worthy play. But similarly Keith's actions can't in any way be mitigated or justified because you didn't like things the Canucks did before or after. Try to focus on just one issue at a time and you'll find more people are in agreement with you.
- YeOldTimer

And what about a haircut?

And what about a haircut?
- docmorgan

Too many variables.

Three options:

1) 10 of the the knees in the groin area by Burrows
2) 5 of the body checks with head contact that Sedin gave to Keith
3) 1 of the elbows to the head that Keith gave Sedin

Which of the above would you prefer?

Several Hawks fans have come on here outraged that Canucks fans can't see the injustices that were done to Keith. Most Canucks fans have responded that Sedin's hit would have warranted a minor penalty as that is the league standard and meets what's detailed in the rule book. Some have said, sure suspend him a game or two. Burrows could also have received a two minute minor for his 'actions' but then I suppose the roughing and misconduct penalty he got was sort of an all-inclusive package.

Neither of the things that happened to Keith had any impact on his ability to continue through the remainder of the game and help his team win. Neither was as serious as what he did to Sedin.

Nobody's claiming blanket innocence for the Canucks because Sedin was the victim of Keith's suspension-worthy play. But similarly Keith's actions can't in any way be mitigated or justified because you didn't like things the Canucks did before or after. Try to focus on just one issue at a time and you'll find more people are in agreement with you.
- YeOldTimer

I'll take head shots all day before knee's to the groin..

Making babies is more fun then thinking about it!

I'll take head shots all day before knee's to the groin..

Making babies is more fun then thinking about it!
- wolverine19

I got that from your posts.

Regardless of the length of Keith's suspension, it won't be enough to satisfy Canucks fans ESPECIALLY if Sedin's injury turns out to be serious.

Personally, I don't think any suspension should be handed out until the extent of Sedin's injuries have been determined and disclosed with the help of a third party or NHL representitive.

Here's hoping Sedin is alright.